That's very sad, Paul. It's about shelling and differing opinions are what
make it interesting and the whole point of "discussion." If you don't like
certain topics, then use your delete key. But, it's rather absurd to feel
you have to "leave the List" because you see differing opinions or because
participants in this hobby are concerned about the ethical aspects of what
we do.
Marlo
-----Original Message-----
From: Conchologists List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Paul
Kanner
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 9:26 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: No "venom" (or even snakes!!) involved.
Topics like this make me want to leave the List. How in the world can we
assume what any scientist's ideology is? Or for that matter, any person
interested in natural science. I have a son who is a PHD research scientist.
He is also a sheller with a very active interest in environmental issues. He
definitely leans to the right. I, myself am a centrist. Let's keep our
personal agenda off the list and stick to shell collecting.
Paul Kanner
PS: This is the first posting I have ever made to this list not directly
relating to conchology.
----- Original Message -----
From: "J. Ross Mayhew" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 2:51 PM
Subject: No "venom" (or even snakes!!) involved.
> The sideways suggestion has been made that it is improper to hypothesise
> or opine in this *discussion* list, upon such highly relevant matters as
> the decline of interest in, teaching of, and basing of public policies (
> such as those which affect our oceans and other waterways, hence the
> molluscan populations they contain......) upon solid, relevant science.
> I submit that such discussions are indeed germaine to the interests of
> such a sceince-based pursuit such as Conchology, and that we shouldn't
> steer clear from potential controversy in the name of sticking
> rigorously to a tightly-defined notion of what precisely is "on topic"
> for such a forum as this. Granted, we should rigorously steer clear of
> such matters as partisan politics, but general references to "right" and
> "left" - leaning ideologies should not be out of bounds so long as the
> material being discussed is in fact relevant to the aims and interests
> of many on the list. An overly-strict interpretation of exactly what
> is "permissible" to say in any discussion group, tends to send a chill
> throughout the entire discourse. So long as a posting has significant
> resonance with the purposes of the group as a whole (for example,
> ecologically-based articles on coral reefs, where a large proportion of
> shell-bearing molluscs happen to live), i see no cause for taking
> offence or accusing people of being "venom-spitting" miscreants for
> perhaps stepping on a toe or two. (and "for the record", i do not see
> many "left-leaning" folks doing their share of the heavy-handed
> science-bashing going on in our society as a whole....... there does
> indeed seem to be a high degree of correlation between mistrust of and
> hesitancy to accept the validity of the scientific method in general,
> and certain varieties of ideological stance.)
>
> From a territory where there are no venomous reptiles at all,
> ross mayhew.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> [log in to unmask] - a forum for informal discussions on molluscs
> To leave this list, click on the following web link:
> http://listserv.uga.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=conch-l&A=1
> Type your email address and name in the appropriate box and
> click leave the list.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
[log in to unmask] - a forum for informal discussions on molluscs
To leave this list, click on the following web link:
http://listserv.uga.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=conch-l&A=1
Type your email address and name in the appropriate box and
click leave the list.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------
[log in to unmask] - a forum for informal discussions on molluscs
To leave this list, click on the following web link:
http://listserv.uga.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=conch-l&A=1
Type your email address and name in the appropriate box and
click leave the list.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
