I would think shells obtained before their listing on CITES would be ok to buy and sell, just as "old" ivory is allowed to be sold in antique stores and on ebay.
Vicky Wall




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From: "Martin H. Eastburn" <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 5:24:23 PM
Subject: Re: [CONCH-L] Endangered Species Act-SELLING OF CITES SP ON EBAY

  What are the facts ?

If CITES today says a shell in your collection that you had for xx years is now
a NO-NO -
I can only assume I can't ship overseas to a buyer or new owner unless it is for
science.

Is there a grandfather clause - owned prior to 1975 the functional birth of CITES ?

Is it illegal to own a shell  that after time CITES puts it under a watch and
stop position ?

I understand importation / exportation of protected shells/etc would be watched
or taken or worse.

But is big brother going to take them from our collections as well ?

Do National grade collections in Universities, Museums, and even the Federal
Government
going to have steam rollers out front ? How do they manage moving their
collections to another
Museum and getting some of theirs in trade or are they always moved for science
sake ...

My collection is legal to own as it is under several articles of legalese shown
at CITES as
well as older than CITES itself.  Countries controlled this themselves prior to
an international
clearing site.


Martin

On 9/17/2010 2:31 PM, Chris Takahashi wrote:
> The land snail seller on Ebay just pulled off all listings of Achatinella.
> Good thing for him because engaging in the trade/sell online of a
> federally protected CITES species is a serious crime, especially with a
> 100 listings! One of my friends worked for US Customs&  now is with US
> Fish&  Wildlife. After i told him what this seller was doing he checked
> the site and noted in his feedbacks prior sales of Achatinella which shows
> intent of selling abroad. His contacting of Ebay and/or seller through his
> dept obviously resulted in the pulled listings. He also noted a Arizona
> based seller with amazingly the same exact listings. Through the feedbacks
> of prior sales for both sellers he says his dept will follow-up on this
> and take whatever actions are warranted though he cannot tell me the
> results, if any.
>

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Martin H. Eastburn

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