Hi, everyone!
Sorry! I hit the wrong button.
Regards,
Ron
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On Wed, 7/26/17, Ron G. Noseworthy <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Subject: Re: [CONCH-L] Cymatum [sic] (Monoplex) pileare
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Received: Wednesday, July 26, 2017, 3:50 PM
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On Wed, 7/26/17, Eichhorst <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
Subject: Re: [CONCH-L] Cymatum [sic]
(Monoplex) pileare
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Received: Wednesday, July 26, 2017,
5:09 AM
The surprise
is the naming of the
protoconch.
Juvenile Nerita albicilla were named
Nerita fasciata;
understandable
because they do differ from the adult,
but naming a
protoconch.
What a great story and the illustrations
on youir web
page are
exquisite. One look and you can easily see
how the
mistake came
about (http://www.jaxshells.org/martinia.htm).
Thanks for
sharing,
Tom E
On 7/25/2017
12:27 PM, Harry Lee wrote:
Dear Carole,
This is an
important topic! Thanks for bringing it up
in this
forum.
Tom has already
set the record straight on much of
this.
What may be a
surprise to some Conch-L'ers is that
WoRMS
<
http://www.marinespecies.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=476533
>, based on
"personal communication" from
Alan Beu (2010),
synonymized the
amphi-Atlantic Monoplex
martinianus
(d'Orbigny,
1841) with M.
pilearis (Linnaeus, 1758) [type
locality.
Despite
opinions to the
contrary (e.g., Abbott, 1974), for
decades Beu
steadfastly
separated the two until he reached the
point in his
extensive, nay,
global, museum work that he wrote
"the distinction
between specimens
resembling M. pilearis and
M.
martinianus
is not clear-cut
and not supportable" (Beu, 2010:
170)
While typical
specimens of M. p., e.g., from
the
Philippines and
M. m., say, from
Florida have always appeared
distinct in
my
(proportionately
meager) experience, I'll yield to
the expert on
their
conchological
affinity - but how about affording our
Atlantic
taxon
subspecies
status? Lee (2009: 83) gave distinguishing
characters.
Beu and many
others, e.g., Lee (2009: 82-83), have
unequivocally
separated M. p.
from M. aquatilis so
"pileare was
changed to
aquatile"
is certainly not
a mainstream opinion - and one
I find
indefensible.
Likewise M. macrodon is
not
synonymous with
M. pilearis;
these WoRMS citations are based on
historic
misidentifications. Although confused by many authors
over the
years,
both species are
recorded from NE Florida
<
http://jaxshells.org/marine.htm> and Peanut
Island
<
http://jaxshells.org/peanut.htm>, to which
inventory
you've made
prodigious
contributions.
There is more to
the quirky taxonomy of the topical
species at
<
http://www.jaxshells.org/martinia.htm>.
Beu, A.G., 2010.
Neogene tonnoidean gastropods of
tropical and
South
America:
Contributions of the Dominican Republic and
Panama
Paleontology
Projects and
uplift of the Central American Isthmus.
Bulletins
of
American
Paleontology 377-378: 1-549 incl. 79
pls. August.
Lee, H.G., 2009.
Marine Shells of Northeast
Florida.
Jacksonville
Shell Club, Inc.,
Jacksonville, FL. 204 pp. + 19 color
plates. May
28.
Harry
At 09:59 AM
7/25/2017, Carole Marshall wrote:
Hi conch-L Seems
with
all the
facebook
and other sites, we have been very quiet.
Hoping there
is still
someone
tuned in. Went to access Cymatium pileare,
it is listed
in WoRMS
as
Monoplex macrodon (Valenciennes, 1832) with a
reference by
Gary
Rosenberg,
but I cannot find any other information
on this. Does
anyone
have the
paper. It is probably pretty recent as last
I had any
information, pileare was
changed to
aquatile.
Can anyone
shed any light on this.
Thank
you,
Carole
M
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