Hi Bob

re Noetia ponderosa: I have live taken Noetia ponderosa (including one
huge one) that we dredged at  Chincoteague Is Virginia





On 7/10/16, Robert R. Fales <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> To keep in shell-related mode, imagine the irony in reading the following in
> Jacobson and Emerson’s 1971 booklet “Shells From Cape Cod to Cape May (With
> Special Reference to the New York City Area).”
>
>
>
> Littorina irrorata (Page 52):  “Sometimes on the beaches in New York one can
> find a dead, broken shell . . . .  These pitiful specimens are apparently
> the only signs still remaining of this snail, once abundant on these shores.
>  Some believe that it has vanished because of the increasing coldness of our
> offshore waters.”
>
>
>
> Noetia ponderosa (Page 76):  “The last of our ark shells has not been found
> alive north of Cape Hatteras, but dead single valves are not uncommon on the
> south shore beaches of Long Island.  Like Littorina irrorata, they probably
> died out here as the waters turned colder.”
>
>
>
> I am told that there is a population of Littoraria irrorata in the Stone
> Harbor, NJ, area, but I have not been able to validate, despite searching.
> There may . . . may . . . be a small population in the Lewes, DE, area;
> several years ago I saw from a distance what might have been L. irrorata
> clinging to partially submerged Spartina stems at high tide – I was not in a
> situation where I could go wading, however, so could not confirm.
>
>
>
> Bob Fales
>
> Edison, NJ
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>
> From: Conchologists List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> David Kirsh
> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 2:24 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [CONCH-L] Arctic Sea Ice Hits a New Low in June
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>
> It IS frustrating, Vicky!
>
>
>
> But also understandable given that we have a corporate press which is
> addicted to the notion of "both sides" when the consensus among climate
> scientists is over 90%...and treating the idea of anthropogenic change as
> equivalent with denial.
>
>
>
> At play, too, is that the major oil companies knew about this since the
> 1970s from their own studies and
>
> proceeded to employ public relations firms (and some scientists) to push
> denial in the media. One of the same PR firms was used during the 1960s to
> spread the notion that smoking doesn't cause cancer.
>
>
>
> Several states' attorneys general are seeking to prosecute oil companies for
> fraud. Perhaps the federal government will take their lead.
>
> Oil companies' legal defense is reportedly based on their corporations'
> Constitutional right to free speech (the Supreme Court has several times
> upheld the principle that corporations are people!). Of course, free speech
> rights don't protect one from fraud charges.
>
>
>
> To keep this shell-related, what are the chances more exploration of Arctic
> shell fauna can be done before the fossil fuel industry decides that
> relative lack of ice presents opportunity for drilling more fossil fuels?
> Are we apt to find much fossil record under previously ice-bound areas?
>
> David Kirsh
>
> Durham, NC
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>
> On Jul 10, 2016, at 1:34 PM, vwall3 <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> And there is nothing more frustrating than to have supposedly intelligent
> people still deny that our planet is in trouble from accelerating climate
> change.
>
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> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
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>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: David Kirsh <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 7/10/16 12:05 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [CONCH-L] Arctic Sea Ice Hits a New Low in June
>
> Listers,
> Coming to your home planet!
> I've seen mention that the Arctic may be totally ice free either this
> September or next (at least temporarily). This article doesn't directly
> support that projection but the general trend is clear:
> http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/37921-arctic-sea-ice-hits-a-new-low-in-june
>
> David Kirsh, LPC, RN
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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