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steve rosenthal <[log in to unmask]>
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Tue, 21 Sep 2021 12:13:10 -0400
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I echo Harry's final thought, that a good photograph should be shared
publicly with experts to rule out similar species, there are so many,
many faulty wentletrap IDs out there.

One example, when you go on WoRMS to look up this species
(novangliae), the 1st of the 3 photos (NMR specimen from Sao Paulo)
looks a whole lot more like angulatum to me.  The spiral sculpture
Harry alludes to appears absent, among other issues.

On 9/21/21, Harry Lee <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Dear Scott,
>
> I took a little time to track this down, but I couldn't find any record
> N of Virginia except for the type locality. Here is the original
> description at <https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/32266754
> <https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/32266754>> and iconotype (on
> plate II figures 5) <https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/32267231
> <https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/32267231> >. The shell was the
> only specimen found and is preserved as the holotype at Harvard (MCZ
> 182888; confirmed through
> <https://mczbase.mcz.harvard.edu/SpecimenSearch.cfm?collection_id=1>).
> Given its excellent state of preservation, I've always been a bit
> skeptical of Clench & Turner's dismissal of the shell as "adventitiously
> present" at Cape Ann, MA (/Johnsonia 2/, 1951: 308). They went on to
> concede "rare at the extremities of its range" (Idem). Codfish may be
> better wentletrap-hunters than we.
>
> With some photographs, your find should be published in a journal like
> /American Conchologist;/ let's vindicate Joseph Pitty Couthouy! [Of
> course; skeptics of skeptics may just shrug and attribute this find to
> global warming.]
>
> Harry
>
> PS Note the text renders the specific epithet "NOVAN GLI." [quotes
> added] while the plate caption spells it as I have in the subject field.
> PPS I presume you've ruled out /E. championi/, introduced ten pp. after
> C&T's Rx of the topical species (Idem: 318). HGL
>
>
>   On 9/20/2021 6:13 PM, Scott Robichaud wrote:
>> Has any one out there ever found an Epitonium novanglia in New England?
>> I believe one just came up in Rhode Island on a dive about 20 feet deep,
>> it was crabbed.
>> The information I have says that it has never been found north of Virginia
>> and I’m wondering if anyone has any other information for me
>> Scott Robichaud
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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