Hi Harry

The description of Vallonia terranovae can be found in: Gerber, J. 1996.
Revision der Gattung Vallonia Risso 1826 (Mollusca: Gastropoda:
Valloniidae). Schriften zur Malakozoologie aus dem Haus der Natur - Cismar
8:1-227. If you can't find this reference, you should contact Jochen Gerber
at the Field Museum in Chicago.

Regarding the aforementioned carbon dates ... they actually pre-date the
arrival of the Thule "Eskimo" culture [the prehistoric ancestors of the
people we know as "modern Eskimos" = "Inuit"], but not the arrival of the
somewhat earlier Dorset "Eskimo" culture. This does not, of course, prove
that the arrival of the species in North America was human-aided. ... I
realize that I am being a bit evasive here, but suffice it to say that there
is "a paper in the works".

JOHN MAUNDER

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Subject: Re: [CONCH-L] Grove Snails in Newfoundland


Thanks, John.

I have two follow-up questions:
(1) Can you cite the description of Vallonia terranovae?
(2) Is the carbon-dating consistent with Erick's Inuit introduction theory?
Harry

At 12:56 PM 11/28/2009, you wrote:

Dear Harry

It is indeed true that Cepaea hortensis is a pre-Viking native of
Newfoundland and eastern Canada.

The proof of this fact is that reliable carbon dates, that considerably
pre-date the Viking era, exist for Cepaea hortensis collections (both
paleontological and archaeological) from our region.

However, the possibility that a number of post-Viking introductions of
Cepaea hortensis may now be layered upon the original North American
populations should not be ruled out. I would be surprised if such were NOT
the case.

... I MUST NOW COMMENT on the rather dated quote attributed to Andrew
Grebneff: "According to John Maunder (Newfoundland Museum, St. Johns) and
Ron Noseworthy, not all of Newfoundland was glaciated during the
Pleistocene/Holocene, and the colonies there survived" ...

Current scientific thinking no longer substantially support this idea ...

To be sure, a few high cliff faces in our western mountains may have
remained above the glacial ice, and thus may have provided a few small
precarious refugia for some small invertebrates (perhaps including some
small molluscs? - the endemic Vallonia terranovae, which is found only in
that region, MAY be a possible candidate?). However, even the tops of
Newfoundland's Long Range Mountains (a northern extension of the Appalachian
Mountain chain), long thought to have been ice-free even during major
glacial events, have now been convincingly shown, using isotopic techniques,
to have been well covered with non-flowing "cold-based" ice during those
times.

The more likely "refugial scenario" for the Newfoundland area seems to
involve the "off-shore fishing banks", to the south of the Island of
Newfoundland, which were clearly exposed above sea-level, and supposedly at
least partially ice-free, during glacial times, when world sea-levels were
known to have been more than 100 metres lower.

Nonetheless, I should stress that the majority of modern-day glacial
geologists seem to be of the opinion that these fishing banks, even
including our very extensive Grand Bank, were almost entirely (although not
necessarily completely) glaciated.

Biologists, on the other hand, continue to come up with any number of
reasons why these same fishing banks must have been at least substantially
unglaciated. Perhaps the truth lies somewhere in between. In the meantime,
the debate is FAR from being resolved.

... The land-bridge theory, however, can be safely debunked. There is no
modern evidence for it!

John Maunder

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From: Harry G. Lee
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Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 3:09 PM

Dear Erick,

Pilsbry (1939: 8) discussed the North American populations of Cepaea
nemoralis (Linnaeus, 1758) at some length. That it originated in Europe is a
near certainty based on its taxonomic affinities.

Winkley (1904) seems to have made the first suggestion of its preglacial
occurrence on this side of the Atlantic. Citing the peculiar distribution on
many uninhabited islands poorly suited for maritime exploitation along the
northeast American coast, he immediately dismissed transport by Norsemen and
other Precolonial visitors. That Pleistocene glaciation covered much of the
species' range in New England is indisputable, but these islands and some
mainland glacier-free areas, e.g., Cape Ann and Cape Cod, MA could well have
served as refugia. Further, Andrew Grebneff posted a comment to this forum a
while back: "According to John Maunder (Newfoundland Museum, St. Johns) and
Ron Noseworthy, not all of Newfoundland was glaciated during the
Pleistocene/Holocene, and the colonies there survived." Pleistocene fossils
and Precolumbian archaeological occurrences further bolster this argument.

How did it get here? One theory has it that there was late Tertiary and
Pleistocene uplift of the Arctic lands and a land bridge existed from
Scotland to Iceland to Greenland to Labrador. Such a connection might also
explain the European-Eastern North American distribution of other
landsnails, e.g., Zoogenetes harpa, certain Euconulus spp., Pupilla
muscorum, certain Vallonia spp., etc. ..................




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