I suspect that, like the snail and clam populations I've seen disappear
after adverse conditions, then reappear years later, our species and its
descendants will have their die-offs and reappearances. We see it in our
fossil history. The present extinction event looks like it will be a big
one, however.
We chose an excellent time to live, given the struggles of the past and
probable future.
Mollusks have been especially good at hanging on, surviving the first five
mass extinctions.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Snyder" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [CONCH-L] Shoreline rebuilding
> Phil, I believe you and I had a brief discussion about the now occurring
> extinction when you visited in October. It is my belief that all we humans
> are doing to the planet is speeding our own demise.
>
>
> ---- Ellen Bulger <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> =============
> Phil, I read your initial comment and had a weird sense of deja vu, as if
> it was an old post of mine resurfacing. Oh, I feel ya. I'm there.
> Shades of Orrin
> Pilkey <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GitAHKqpEbY>.
>
> David, Population growth slows where there is prosperity, but the benefits
> of the smaller population are offset if, instead of reasonable-sized
> homes,
> McMansions are the order of the day. Smaller is
> better<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDcVrVA4bSQ>.
> Suburbia itself is worse than Phragmites and kudzu and the ALB and every
> other invasive species all rolled in to one. And they don't really make us
> happy. We need community and the physical design of suburbs minimize
> community. Jane Jacobs was
> right!<http://www.gwu.edu/~art/Temporary_SL/177/pdfs/Jacobs%20Part%201.pdf>
>
> Less building!
>
> More habitat!
>
> More shells!
>
>
> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Phil Poland
> <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>
>> **
>> Right you are about short term profits and media control, another core
>> issue that's not a front page story. The growth curve does flatten when a
>> population gets a relatively good secular education, but how are you
>> going
>> to bring the other six and growing billions up to Swiss standards in a
>> century? Meanwhile, most humans are engaged in burning anything burnable,
>> clearing more land, having more children while the "aware' decrease as a
>> percentage of the planet's population. I don't see technology overcoming
>> human nature at this late date.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> *From:* David Kirsh <[log in to unmask]>
>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 19, 2013 11:16 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [CONCH-L] Shoreline rebuilding
>>
>> Dear Phil (and all),
>>
>> I share your "optimism" and sense the denouement coming fast. But I
>> identify the (relatively) unmentionable topic as being the fossil fuels
>> ad
>> diction of our civilization. Collosal profits this year beat all other
>> human and biological concerns and buy the news topics or the spin on the
>> news topics.
>>
>> Population is an issue. However, human population growth slows
>> substantially
>> where there's widespread prosperity.
>>
>> Speaking of population: what's become of the Atlantic Geoduck (I found my
>> only fragments in 1996 where I"m vacationing now on Ocracoke)? Has anyone
>> found live ones recently anywhere? Good article on the Pacific congener
>> http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2018041537_geoduck22m.html With
>> such prices and longevity of 150 years, how long can that species hold
>> out?
>>
>> David Kirsh
>> Durham, NC
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Phil Poland **
>> Sent: May 19, 2013 7:19 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [CONCH-L] Shoreline rebuilding
>>
>> ******** ********
>> Rebuilding on marshland! "Renourishing" beaches! No only is there a
>> widespread denial of the problems and a refusal to even discuss the core
>> issues, but what's little that's being done is too little, too late. We
>> dare not talk about population control for fear of upsetting the
>> anti-science majority. The forests will burn, the *snails* will dissolve
>> and most other larger species will be lost - soon. Welcome to the Sixth
>> Great Extinction Event.
>> Happily, it'll all green over again in a few million years.
>> ******
>>
>> Slavery is the legal fiction that a
>> Person is Property. Corporate
>> Personhood is the legal fiction that
>> Property is a Person.
>>
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