Please, let's keep the politics and religion off the List. It's all we can
do to maintain civility in the American workplace these days. To the French
and the rest of the world I can only say, remember, we in the US are a
diverse bunch. One American's opinion is not the whole story.
On the subject of storm-thrown shells. I can find far more species by
banging the dead shells into a bucket and then sieving the debris knocked
loose. There are hundreds of tiny species clinging to all that deeper water
fauna and trash that's ended up on the Florida shores. Harry is familiar
with most of them.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Franck Frydman" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: Creationism ...


> Mr Gray ,  you are totally  ignorant of  what I have read or not and it
> seems to me that you understood what you wanted to understand and not what
I
> meant  : The meaning of " teaching of Darwinism " in my message is ,  OF
> COURSE  , the teaching of what  Darwinism is   and obviously not
Darwinism
> itself as a religion , which it never was  . Please learn at least one
thing
> here : There is no  state religious education  in France ( it only exists
in
> private religious schools ) since here religion and beliefs are considered
> as strictly personal matters .   Here YOU are the only one   to show "
> closemindedism ". Regarding your scornful opinion about the French , which
> only commits you  ,   seems to be your very own  participation in a recent
> anti-France mud-flinging campaign  in the U.S. and is completely
irrelevant
> a  famous [ in France , of course ;-) ] French  [ sorry ;-) ...] writer ,
> Georges Courteline ,  said : " To be considered as an idiot by a fool is a
> fine gourmet delight . " ( " Passer pour un idiot aux yeux d'un imbécile
est
> une volupté de fin gourmet . " ) . You make my day * . Franck Frydman
( *
> I am an admirer of Mr Clint Eastwood
>     ----- Original
> > Message -----
> > From: "mike gray" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 10:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: Creationism ...
> >
> >
> > > Franck Frydman wrote:
> > > >  Here in France Creationism is very seldom defended  and is nothing
> but
> > one
> > > > of the many manifestations of religious  integrism . When in France
,
> > land
> > > > of the Lights where critical spirit used to be taught in the "
Ecoles
> de
> > la
> > > > République " ( I am not at all sure that it is now ... )  ,  state
> > education
> > > > is laic according to the Law  Creationism mainly expresses itself
in
> > state
> > > > public schools where some pupils want to impose the archaic  rules
and
> > > > obscurantist views which  their ignorant and narrow-minded clerics
> > > > impregnate them with   by  refusing the teaching of Darwinism  and
do
> > not
> > > > even hesitate ,  sometimes ,  to use violence to prevent their
> teachers
> > from
> > > > teaching them   what their clerics censure  , e.g.  sexual education
,
> > > > Darwinism ,  History whether it is critical to their own religion
or
> > not in
> > > > accordance with their own political views ( even when it is  fully
> > supported
> > > > and documented ) . Some of them even refuse Physical Education
> teaching
> > . I
> > > > am not at all  here to discuss the existence of God nor to say that
> one
> > > > should be a believer or not but in my  very humble opinion true
> > believers
> > > > should be convinced that God created ... Evolution . Franck Frydman
> > >
> > > It is quite obvious that you have read neither the Bible nor Darwin.
> > >
> > > Teach "Darwinism"????? If Darwin were alive today he would be
horrified
> > > that his work, including its errors, had been accorded religious
status.
> > >
> > > While Genesis gave an accurate description of the "big bang" before
> > > scientists even discovered grants.
> > >
> > > The problem with the French is neither creationism nor Darwinism. It's

> > > closedmindedism.
> > >
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