You are right , however Creationism has to do with religion and beliefs .
Politics ? I agree that this place is not at all the right one for people
to express their political views and /or resentment and if not attacked I
would not have chosen Conch-L as battlefield but you perfectly know this
motto : " Don'tread on me . " and there is also this in a song : " If
you're looking for trouble , you came to the right place ! " ;-)) . I also
know perfectly aware that the U.S. citizens are , like the French , a
diverse bunch and therefore that one single person's opinion does not
represent the general one . Luckily . F.F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Poland" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 3:20 AM
Subject: Creationism and Sieving
> Please, let's keep the politics and religion off the List. It's all we can
> do to maintain civility in the American workplace these days. To the
French
> and the rest of the world I can only say, remember, we in the US are a
> diverse bunch. One American's opinion is not the whole story.
> On the subject of storm-thrown shells. I can find far more species by
> banging the dead shells into a bucket and then sieving the debris knocked
> loose. There are hundreds of tiny species clinging to all that deeper
water
> fauna and trash that's ended up on the Florida shores. Harry is familiar
> with most of them.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Franck Frydman" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 6:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Creationism ...
>
>
> > Mr Gray , you are totally ignorant of what I have read or not and it
> > seems to me that you understood what you wanted to understand and not
what
> I
> > meant : The meaning of " teaching of Darwinism " in my message is , OF
> > COURSE , the teaching of what Darwinism is and obviously not
> Darwinism
> > itself as a religion , which it never was . Please learn at least one
> thing
> > here : There is no state religious education in France ( it only
exists
> in
> > private religious schools ) since here religion and beliefs are
considered
> > as strictly personal matters . Here YOU are the only one to show "
> > closemindedism ". Regarding your scornful opinion about the French ,
which
> > only commits you , seems to be your very own participation in a
recent
> > anti-France mud-flinging campaign in the U.S. and is completely
> irrelevant
> > a famous [ in France , of course ;-) ] French [ sorry ;-) ...] writer
,
> > Georges Courteline , said : " To be considered as an idiot by a fool is
a
> > fine gourmet delight . " ( " Passer pour un idiot aux yeux d'un imbécile
> est
> > une volupté de fin gourmet . " ) . You make my day * . Franck Frydman
> ( *
> > I am an admirer of Mr Clint Eastwood
> > ----- Original
> > > Message -----
> > > From: "mike gray" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 10:22 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Creationism ...
> > >
> > >
> > > > Franck Frydman wrote:
> > > > > Here in France Creationism is very seldom defended and is
nothing
> > but
> > > one
> > > > > of the many manifestations of religious integrism . When in
France
> ,
> > > land
> > > > > of the Lights where critical spirit used to be taught in the "
> Ecoles
> > de
> > > la
> > > > > République " ( I am not at all sure that it is now ... ) , state
> > > education
> > > > > is laic according to the Law Creationism mainly expresses itself
> in
> > > state
> > > > > public schools where some pupils want to impose the archaic rules
> and
> > > > > obscurantist views which their ignorant and narrow-minded clerics
> > > > > impregnate them with by refusing the teaching of Darwinism and
> do
> > > not
> > > > > even hesitate , sometimes , to use violence to prevent their
> > teachers
> > > from
> > > > > teaching them what their clerics censure , e.g. sexual
education
> ,
> > > > > Darwinism , History whether it is critical to their own religion
> or
> > > not in
> > > > > accordance with their own political views ( even when it is fully
> > > supported
> > > > > and documented ) . Some of them even refuse Physical Education
> > teaching
> > > . I
> > > > > am not at all here to discuss the existence of God nor to say
that
> > one
> > > > > should be a believer or not but in my very humble opinion true
> > > believers
> > > > > should be convinced that God created ... Evolution . Franck
Frydman
> > > >
> > > > It is quite obvious that you have read neither the Bible nor Darwin.
> > > >
> > > > Teach "Darwinism"????? If Darwin were alive today he would be
> horrified
> > > > that his work, including its errors, had been accorded religious
> status.
> > > >
> > > > While Genesis gave an accurate description of the "big bang" before
> > > > scientists even discovered grants.
> > > >
> > > > The problem with the French is neither creationism nor Darwinism.
It's
>
> > > > closedmindedism.
> > > >
> > >
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