Dear Harry,
     thanks so much for this invaluable help!  I'm going to get right on
tracking all this information down.  I'll let the list know if I have any
ephiphanies.
-K


On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:53:49 -0500, Harry G. Lee <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>Dear Kevin,
>
>Dick Petit located the original description of Turbonilla caroliniana
>Holmes, 1859 (p. 86; pl. XIII: figs 9, 9a, 9b). From his report to the
>list-serve, I can say the description is inadequate for identification -
>although the spiral banding is a little help. Until tonight, I had
>overlooked a critical document - a photocopy Dick sent me about 15 years
>ago. It depicts plate XIII !  Figures 9, 9a, and 9b show T. caroliniana
to
>have a straight-sided profile, strong regular spirals which are, however
>weaker, than the (axial) ribs; the sutures are barely perceptible, and
the
>whorls are quite short by Pyrgiscus standards. None of the 39 species
from
>Jacksonville is a good match.
>
>Holmes' biographer Lester D. Stephens (1988: 41) wrote that the
>paleontologist sold his fossils, including the types treated in the work
>"Post Pleiocene ...." (Stephens' quotes) to the American Museum of
Natural
>History in 1873. Perhaps that institution can locate type material.
There's
>a fair chance that the material is mentioned in Whitfield and Hovey
(1901),
>which I lack. Examination of the type may allow proper identification.
>
>Chemnitzia reticulata C. B. Adams, 1850 was considered a senior synonym
by
>Dall, 1892 (with a ?), and later Wolfe and Wolfe (1970), Odé & Speers
>(1972), and Porter (1974) uncritically repeated Dall's observation
(without
>a ?). Adams named this taxon from Jamaica, was never figured by its
author,
>and its type material was lost according to Clench and Turner (1950).  It
>was described as " ... white ... 26 to 30 transverse ribs, which become
>obsolete on the anterior surface, with very coarse distant raised spiral
>lines, decussating the ribs ... whorls about seven excluding the nucleus,
>with a well-impressed suture : aperture oval, acute above ...Mean
>divergence 12 degrees; length of spire 0.9 inch; total length .125 inch;
>breadth .04 inch."
>
>The "well-impressed suture" of Chemnitzia reticulata C. B. Adams, 1850 is
>utterly incompatible with the type illustration of Turbonilla caroliniana
>Holmes, 1859 !!
>
>Pending location of type material, which isn't likely, Chemnitzia
>reticulata C. B. Adams, 1850 has to be considered a nomen dubium. If type
>material of Turbonilla caroliniana Holmes, 1859 can be brought to light
at
>the AMNH, maybe we can get somewhere!
>
>Harry
>
>Holmes, F. S., 1858-1860 [published in parts]. Post-Pleiocene Fossils of
>South Carolina. Russell and Jones, Charleston.1-98, 14 pls.
>Whitfield, R. P. and E. O. Hovey, 1901. Catalogue of the types and
figured
>specimens in the palaeontological collection .... American Museum of
>Natural History .... Part IV, Lower Carboniferous to Pleistocene,
>inclusive. Bull. Amer. Mus. Nat. Hist. 111(4): 357-500 + xv.
>Stephens, Lester D., 1988. The story of Francis Simmons Holmes.
>Contributions from the Charleston Museum No. 17: xi + 67 pp.
>
>PS Turbonilla buteonis Bartsch, 1909 is extensively (and well-) described
>in Powell, E. N., 1981.  Three Turbonilla (Pyramidellidae, Gastropoda) of
>North Carolina, with comments on pyramidellid systematics. Journal Elisha
>Mitchell Scientific Society 97(1): 37-54.
>
>
>At 01:29 PM 1/13/2006, you wrote:
>>Thanks everyone for the help.  I have tried malacolog before, but
couldn't
>>seem to find a reference to caroliniana.  I will check out the reticulata
>>entry.  I'm sure part of my problem with my other efforts was having the
>>incorrect "Tuomey" attached.  I have used the MCZ many times in my
>>research, but up to now strictly by studying their mollusks, not their
>>books (oh, and they have been doing work in the area where they keep
their
>>Turbonilles, so I haven't been able to see what they have).  Now that I
>>have some specifics, I will definitely track down the title.  I do agree
>>with Harry, this is one poorly described group.  And I should add that I
do
>>have Dall, Verrill, Gould, Bartsch and even Bush's writings on this
subject
>>(and they do not mention "caroliniana" anywhere).  I'm also trying to
get a
>>better understanding of the following
>>species: "buteonis," "aequalis," "Sumneri," and "bushiana."  I'm trying
to
>>find descriptions and particularly illustrations other than Bartsch (and
>>aequalis isn't even illustrated in Bartsch).  If anyone has clear color
>>photos of these species, I would be on cloud nine.
>>-Thanks again, Kevin
>>(from amazingly mild Beantown)
>
>Harry G. Lee, M.D.
>Suite 500
>1801 Barrs Street
>Jacksonville, FL 32204 USA
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Dear Harry,
     thanks so much for this invaluable help!  I'm going to get right on
tracking all this information down.  I'll let the list know if I have any
ephiphanies.
-K

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