Thanks Carlo. I just bit the bullet and bought the Olive book but it hasn't arrived yet. Maybe then all will be crystal clear but I doubt it.lol
I only have the Olividae book which either recognizes or ignores alot of stuff in the Tursch book. It however fails to give any discussion on why or what the differences are. Don't get me wrong, I love the spate of monographs with the high quality color pictures but for the most part they are just that, names and pictures. A picture may be worth a thousand words but most often a thousand isn't enough. I haven't done much with my olives in the last twenty years besides dust them so it should be interesting trying to sort them out. Again thanks.
Gary


--- On Sat, 9/6/08, Carlo Maccà <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> From: Carlo Maccà <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [CONCH-L] Olividae -annulata complex
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 10:41 AM
> Hi Carlos and Gary,
> According to Tursch & Greifeneder, OLIVE SHELLS, page
> 433, O. "annulata
> (Gmelin, 1791) cannot be identified, and is a nomen dubium
> (...) used for
> three distinct species: O. amethystina (Roding, 1798), O.
> maculata Duclos,
> 1840, and O. mantichora, Duclos 1840." At page 302,
> under O. maculata:
> "Spire: conical to high conical, sometimes slightly
> telescopic". Carlos'
> maculata is o.k. (Table 4). Copy on request.
> Carlo
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "GARY FREDRICKSON"
> <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 2:53 AM
> Subject: Re: Olividae -annulata complex
>
>
> > Hi,
> > Can anyone tell me what traits are used to separate
> maculata from
> > annulata. In the picture the spire appears elevated
> but is that all the
> > difference? There is a reason that we olive lovers go
> crazy right behind
> > cone lovers for the color and shape differences within
> a species. Thanks
> > for any help.
> > Gary
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 9/1/08, Carlos Duraes de Carvalho
> <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> From: Carlos Duraes de Carvalho
> <[log in to unmask]>
> >> Subject: [CONCH-L] Olividae -annulata complex
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> Date: Monday, September 1, 2008, 7:08 PM
> >> Dear conch-lers
> >> I am obliged to Juan de Roux a collector
> >> from Colombia for his correction of my
> >> Oliva maculata, which I had classified as
> >> Oliva annulata forma guttata.  I decided to
> >> put my olives of annulata complex in my
> >> page
> >>
> http://www.shellscarvalho.com/Discussion_oliva_annulata_complex.html
> >> so
> >> that you can pay a visit and check if everything
> is now
> >> correct.
> >> Kindly send your comments if you think that
> something is
> >> wrong.
> >> Very best regards
> >> Carlos Carvalho
> >
> >
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