On Sat, 1 Jun 2002 23:44:05 +0200, Franck Frydman <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >Hello Ross ! Are we the only two interested in Harpidae ??? To me Harpa >goodwini Rehder , 1993 is nothing but a very large geographical variant of >Harpa kajiyamai Habe in Habe and Kosuge , 1970 . Nobody will ever know why >Rehder , who had also described the latter in 1973 , did not compare his >1993 "new "species with Harpa kajiyamai .According to me Harpa kajiyamai and >Harpa goodwini are identical since they only differ by the size . Franck >Frydman >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ross Mayhew" <[log in to unmask]> >To: <[log in to unmask]> >Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 8:15 PM >Subject: Oops!! Harpa goodwini Rehder, 1993 > > >> I'm REALLY good at making myself look stupid! The beast in question is >> actually Harpa goodwini Rehder, 1993 - and i guess the question would be >> is this generally recognized as a full species, or has it since been >> relegated to being a subspecies or regional form of another Harpa, >> seeing how variable members of the genus are. >> >> -JR GUESS WHAT? YOU'RE RIGHT! I WORKED W/REHDER BEFORE HIS DEATH ON MY SELF-COLLECTED NEW SPECIES OF SHELLS FROM ISLA DE PASCUA ON A EXPEDITION THERE. HIS DESCRIPTIONS ON MY SHELLS ALONG W/THE SHELLS THEMSELFS WERE LOST UPON HIS DEATH. HE DID HOWEVER TOLD ME THE TALE,,,,,,, DANIEL GOODWIN, A PET STORE MANAGER & HAW'N SHELL COLLECTOR AS WELL AS PART- TIME SHELL DEALER GOT SOME UNUSUAL LOOKING c.f. OF HARPA FROM DEEP-WATER LOBSTER TRAPS OFF OAHU FROM MICHAEL ROGERS. HE WANTED TO GET THEM DESCRIBED SO BUNNY COOK OF HONOLULU SAID SHE'D HELP. AFTER A FEW YEARS GOODWIN DEALT W/REHDER WHO HAD PREVIOUSLY CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THIS WAS A NORTHERN RANGE EXTENTION OF KAJIYAMAI. BUT DUE TO THE LONG-TIME BEING TAKEN ON THIS SHELL REHDER DECIDED TO NAME IT AS A FULL SPECIES RATHER THAN KAJIYAMAI f. GOODWINI AT COOK'S SUGGESTION. IN PART THIS IS A LARGE NORTHERN RANGE EXTENSION OF KAJIYAMAI AS YOU SURMISED. IT WAS NAMED FOR GOODWIN DUE TO HIS OBSERVATIONS & THE TIME SPENT WORKING ON THIS SPECIES. HOPE THIS TIDBIT OR INFO HELPS. CHRIS:) c",)