Dear friends according to Filmer 2001 (and I believe it also), Conus kawamurai as a distinct species on its own, separate from milneedwardsi. With respect to the fossil species, it is true that most kawamurai are dead taken from harbour dredgings, etc. I am not sure about its relationship to fossil species. In any case, the holotype measures 80.5 x 33.4 mm, and comes from Amami Oshima Islands, Southern Japan. An additional subspecies is Conus milneedwardsi lemuriensis Wils & Delsaerdt, 1989, from Reunion, Mauritius, Salha de Malha, etc. The holotype comes from Reunion Island and measures 110.4 x 35. 3 mm. This seems to be quite similar to clytospira. Best wishes Manuel Jimenez Tenorio ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [log in to unmask] - a forum for informal discussions on molluscs To leave this list, click on the following web link: http://listserv.uga.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=conch-l&A=1 Type your email address and name in the appropriate box and click leave the list. ----------------------------------------------------------------------