Dear All, It is a pity that ICNZ does not approve of forma, form of a species and I do wonder how many collectors word wide have collected, bought albino's, vesicolour, unique patterns, freak's, glazed, different colours, etc. Are these not considered form of a species? Don't museum's have freaks, odd, unique coloured shells, glazed, on their shelves/showcases? How many of you have bought shells from dealers just because they see written: vesicolour, different pattern's. Are these not form of a species. I saw a set of beautiful Conus nobilis victors on Richard Goldberg's web site last year. Richard put different colours of Conus nobilis victors and is this not trying to form it into different colours and patterns. At least in my opion, he was trying to do that. Indirectly colectors, advanced or beginers, museums, is involved some way or the other in collecting forms whether they are doing it intentionally or not. I hope that ICNZ seriously considers reconsidering this forma of a species issue and give the older generation of scientist their due. After all we are in the mellenium age now. George Fernandz _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp=33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [log in to unmask] - a forum for informal discussions on molluscs To leave this list, click on the following web link: http://listserv.uga.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=conch-l&A=1 Type your email address and name in the appropriate box and click leave the list. ----------------------------------------------------------------------