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WeatherMan is not correcting these values . I believe that settings and options of "Generate weather data " function are not right !!! Please let me know directions to solve this problem or any pdf manual for WeatherMan 4.0 - 4.5 .. Thank You in anticipating for any help. Sincerely Rubens Coelho ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 10:24:08 -0700 Reply-To: Behnam <[log in to unmask]> Sender: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications <[log in to unmask]> From: Behnam <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Just to Inform the Programmers of CERES MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear Friends, I found a small problem in CERES MAIZE. In CULTIVAR file: -------------------------- @VAR# VRNAME.......... ECO# P1 P2 P5 G2 G3 PHINT ! 1 2 3 4 5 6 PC0001 2500-2600 GDD IB0001 160.0 0.750 780.0 750.0 8.50 49.00 -------------------------- ... if we set G3 value to, for example, 8.51, the crop yield becomes zero. But when we set it to 8.50 or 8.5, it becomes more than zero. The problem is related to the last line of DSSAT40.INP file where there is not enough room for all the digits. Best Behnam Ababaei ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 09:16:54 -0700 Reply-To: Behnam <[log in to unmask]> Sender: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications <[log in to unmask]> From: Behnam <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Fertilizers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear Users, I am wondering how DSSAT can assess the effect f each type of fertilizers? I mean, how it considers the effects of fertilizer materials on a crop? What are the differences between, for example, Urea and another fertilizer in DSSAT code? If someone used 300 kg/ha Urea in a field, how the fertilizer table should be filled? Best Behnam Ababaei ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 00:44:46 -0700 Reply-To: Behnam <[log in to unmask]> Sender: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications <[log in to unmask]> From: Behnam <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Does the irrigation regime affect the crop parameters while calibration? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear users, I am using PEST to calibrate cultivar parameters of MAIZE. 1) Do I have to change any Ecotype parameters in this process? By default, there are only 2 Ecotypes in DSSAT database. 2) Is it true if I find cultivar parameters different for different irrigation treatments? When I used all irrigation treatments, the calibration results got worst in comparison to the time I used only 1 or 2 irrigation treatments. Best Behnam ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 00:48:56 -0700 Reply-To: Behnam <[log in to unmask]> Sender: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications <[log in to unmask]> From: Behnam <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Fertilizers In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What should I do with the fertilizers which are not included in DSSAT? ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 16:00:30 -0400 Reply-To: Lyndon Estes <[log in to unmask]> Sender: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications <[log in to unmask]> From: Lyndon Estes <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Unrealistic maize yields MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear DSSAT users, I am busy with a country-scale (South Africa) maize study, and I am getting some unrealistically optimistic yield estimates in arid areas of the country where dryland maize is not viable. For example, here are a few summary statistics (averaged over 19 years of runs, with reinitialization each year) for one location where mean annual rainfall is 276 mm. YEARS PRCM yield cv.yield N failures days to maturity 1980-1999 159 1127 89 3 101 This was done with a 20% starting soil moisture content measured each July 15th (soil NO3 = 0.9; NH4 = 0.1), with auto-planting occurring anytime between the end of October and mid-January provided soil moisture in the top 25 cm exceeds 70%. I am working with fairly minimal inputs, particularly for soil, since I couldn't get or extrapolate information on KSat, Ph, CEC, etc. Here's the soil: *LTAf000404 ARC LT -99 120 Landtype LTAf000404 @SITE COUNTRY LAT LONG SCS FAMILY -99 S.Africa -99 -99 Landtype group Af @ SCOM SALB SLU1 SLDR SLRO SLNF SLPF SMHB SMPX SMKE -99 0.13 6.0 0.80 61.5 1.00 1.00 -99 -99 -99 @ SLB SLMH SLLL SDUL SSAT SRGF SSKS SBDM SLOC SLCL SLSI SLCF SLNI SLHW SLHB SCEC SADC 13 A1 0.064 0.158 0.308 1.000 -99 1.83 0.09 2.0 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 26 A2 0.064 0.158 0.308 1.000 -99 1.83 0.09 2.0 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 40 A3 0.064 0.158 0.308 0.517 -99 1.83 0.08 2.0 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 67 B1 0.062 0.169 0.335 0.343 -99 1.76 0.06 3.3 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 94 B2 0.062 0.169 0.335 0.200 -99 1.76 0.02 3.3 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 120 B3 0.062 0.169 0.335 0.118 -99 1.76 0.00 3.3 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 And cultivar coefficients KR0169 KROONSTAD(MICH) . IB0001 200.0 0.750 850.0 800.0 10.00 45.00 I throw down 32 kg/ha of ammonium nitrate at planting, and have a planting density of 2.0 and row-spacing of 200 cm. I have done some sensitivity analyses on certain variables: X file SH20 (doubles yield if increased to 50% soil moisture), MESEV (changed to R--increases yield by 300 kg/ha) EVAPO (changed to F--increased yield by 300 kg/ha) Soil SLNF, SLPF, SALB, SLU1, SLDR (negligible effects) Although I wasn't worried as much about them, I also changed SDUL, SLLL, and SAT values by 10% in the direction that would produce less PAW. These had small effects (~ 100 kg/ha or less--oddly, lowering SDUL and SSAT produces small increases in yields). SLOC is already low, so I wouldn't expect this to be the culprit behind these unrealistic results. I also tested different cultivar coefficients. These, together with cultivars, together with SH20, had the largest effects on yields, but none of these increased the number of years in which crops failed, which is the value I was expecting to move. These remain constant at 3 no matter how I tweak the model. There are of course other parameters to test in DSSAT, but these to me seemed the most obvious places to look. Since all these tweaks still end up with production in 16 out of 19 years in a place that probably shouldn't grow any maize, I was hoping for some pointers on where else I might look to bring the simulations closer to reality. My only other thought is that the model is overestimating soil moisture retention in the deep sandy soil, but I am not sure how I would fix this outside of making the soil shallower. Perhaps I am missing something rather obvious in my settings? Thanks in advance for any help. Cheers, Lyndon ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 22:11:11 -0400 Reply-To: "Boote,Kenneth J" <[log in to unmask]> Sender: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications <[log in to unmask]> From: "Boote,Kenneth J" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Does the irrigation regime affect the crop parameters while calibration? Comments: To: Behnam <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Behnam: What is PEST? I don't know what that is? You should not change any Ecotype parameters. It would be dangerous to calibrate RUE (which is in the Ecotype file), as that is viewed as a constant across all maize hybrids. The only exception is for a low RUE for pure inbred lines used in plant breeder plots (and that is not something you are looking at). If you see a value for RUE of 4.5 in ecotype file, that is not a good number and will disappear by the time of release of V4.5 DSSAT. The principle is that you should calibrate genetic coefficients only for the optimum irrigation (and N fertilization) treatments. That way, any failure to predict accurately the growth and yield at low irrigation or low N fertilization indicates a problem with the prediction (and inputs) related to water and N balance. So, yes, the genetic coefficients will change if you optimize them with all the treatments being considered (as you already say you observed). Good luck. Ken Boote ________________________________________ From: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Behnam [[log in to unmask]] Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 3:44 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Does the irrigation regime affect the crop parameters while calibration? Dear users, I am using PEST to calibrate cultivar parameters of MAIZE. 1) Do I have to change any Ecotype parameters in this process? By default, there are only 2 Ecotypes in DSSAT database. 2) Is it true if I find cultivar parameters different for different irrigation treatments? When I used all irrigation treatments, the calibration results got worst in comparison to the time I used only 1 or 2 irrigation treatments. Best Behnam ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 10:39:32 +0100 Reply-To: Jonathan Massheder <[log in to unmask]> Sender: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications <[log in to unmask]> From: Jonathan Massheder <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Does the irrigation regime affect the crop parameters while calibration? In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ken, PEST is very powerful parameter estimation software, http://www.pesthomepage.org/ Regards, Jonathan On 25/04/2011 03:11, Boote,Kenneth J wrote: > Behnam: > > What is PEST? I don't know what that is? > > You should not change any Ecotype parameters. It would be dangerous to calibrate RUE (which is in the Ecotype file), as that is viewed as a constant across all maize hybrids. The only exception is for a low RUE for pure inbred lines used in plant breeder plots (and that is not something you are looking at). If you see a value for RUE of 4.5 in ecotype file, that is not a good number and will disappear by the time of release of V4.5 DSSAT. > > The principle is that you should calibrate genetic coefficients only for the optimum irrigation (and N fertilization) treatments. That way, any failure to predict accurately the growth and yield at low irrigation or low N fertilization indicates a problem with the prediction (and inputs) related to water and N balance. So, yes, the genetic coefficients will change if you optimize them with all the treatments being considered (as you already say you observed). > > Good luck. > Ken Boote > > ________________________________________ > From: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Behnam [[log in to unmask]] > Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 3:44 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Does the irrigation regime affect the crop parameters while calibration? > > Dear users, > I am using PEST to calibrate cultivar parameters of MAIZE. > > 1) Do I have to change any Ecotype parameters in this process? By > default, there are only 2 Ecotypes in DSSAT database. > > 2) Is it true if I find cultivar parameters different for different > irrigation treatments? When I used all irrigation treatments, the > calibration results got worst in comparison to the time I used only 1 > or 2 irrigation treatments. > > Best > Behnam -- Jonathan Massheder Simulistics Ltd www.simulistics.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 09:52:10 -0500 Reply-To: [log in to unmask] Sender: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications <[log in to unmask]> From: Stuart Rymph <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Does the irrigation regime affect the crop parameters while calibration? Comments: To: Behnam <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Behnam, PEST is to simulate damage or harvest events. If your datasets include significant damage, you should NOT be using them to build genetic coefficients - see Dr. Boote's comments. Think about it - if you have pest damage or nutrient limitations in your real data, how do you know which effects are genetic and which are environmental? Also, get your management files working correctly before you try any testing - if you have irrigation or fertilizer info entered incorrectly, you are wasting your time running multiple-year scenarios with bad info. As far as soil conditions go, if you can get an extra year of weather data, you can "set up" your initial soil conditions by running a year of simulations prior to your experiments. Just match the simulations as closely as you can to what really happened. Look through the manuals, they are on the CD an I believe that there is a link to them in the help section too - Glance through the table of contents of all of the manuals then go back and read the ones that pertain to what you wan to do. A lot of your questions should be answered there - it will save you a lot of time. Best of Luck, Stu On 4/24/2011 2:44 AM, Behnam wrote: > Dear users, > I am using PEST to calibrate cultivar parameters of MAIZE. > > 1) Do I have to change any Ecotype parameters in this process? By > default, there are only 2 Ecotypes in DSSAT database. > > 2) Is it true if I find cultivar parameters different for different > irrigation treatments? When I used all irrigation treatments, the > calibration results got worst in comparison to the time I used only 1 > or 2 irrigation treatments. > > Best > Behnam > > -- Stuart Rymph, Ph.D., CCA, PAS Dairy Nutrition and Technical Services Manager Land O'Lakes Purina Feed LLC 6063 Beckman Rd. Mazomanie, WI 53560 (608) 469-8538 [log in to unmask] ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 06:11:38 +0200 Reply-To: Abraham Singels <[log in to unmask]> Sender: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications <[log in to unmask]> From: Abraham Singels <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Unrealistic maize yields Comments: To: Lyndon Estes <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Lyndon The late Andre du Toit made several changes to the Ceres Maize model to get it to simulate maize growth and yield in South Africa better. Some of these were published in the S.A. Journal of Plant and Soil. They may have info that could help you. To me the answer (at least an important part of it) lies in the weather data. I could comment if you send me the daily data, especially rainfall and reference evaporation. What are the lat and long of the site? Abraham Singels -----Original Message----- From: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lyndon Estes Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 10:01 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Unrealistic maize yields Dear DSSAT users, I am busy with a country-scale (South Africa) maize study, and I am getting some unrealistically optimistic yield estimates in arid areas of the country where dryland maize is not viable. For example, here are a few summary statistics (averaged over 19 years of runs, with reinitialization each year) for one location where mean annual rainfall is 276 mm. YEARS PRCM yield cv.yield N failures days to maturity 1980-1999 159 1127 89 3 101 This was done with a 20% starting soil moisture content measured each July 15th (soil NO3 = 0.9; NH4 = 0.1), with auto-planting occurring anytime between the end of October and mid-January provided soil moisture in the top 25 cm exceeds 70%. I am working with fairly minimal inputs, particularly for soil, since I couldn't get or extrapolate information on KSat, Ph, CEC, etc. Here's the soil: *LTAf000404 ARC LT -99 120 Landtype LTAf000404 @SITE COUNTRY LAT LONG SCS FAMILY -99 S.Africa -99 -99 Landtype group Af @ SCOM SALB SLU1 SLDR SLRO SLNF SLPF SMHB SMPX SMKE -99 0.13 6.0 0.80 61.5 1.00 1.00 -99 -99 -99 @ SLB SLMH SLLL SDUL SSAT SRGF SSKS SBDM SLOC SLCL SLSI SLCF SLNI SLHW SLHB SCEC SADC 13 A1 0.064 0.158 0.308 1.000 -99 1.83 0.09 2.0 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 26 A2 0.064 0.158 0.308 1.000 -99 1.83 0.09 2.0 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 40 A3 0.064 0.158 0.308 0.517 -99 1.83 0.08 2.0 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 67 B1 0.062 0.169 0.335 0.343 -99 1.76 0.06 3.3 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 94 B2 0.062 0.169 0.335 0.200 -99 1.76 0.02 3.3 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 120 B3 0.062 0.169 0.335 0.118 -99 1.76 0.00 3.3 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 And cultivar coefficients KR0169 KROONSTAD(MICH) . IB0001 200.0 0.750 850.0 800.0 10.00 45.00 I throw down 32 kg/ha of ammonium nitrate at planting, and have a planting density of 2.0 and row-spacing of 200 cm. I have done some sensitivity analyses on certain variables: X file SH20 (doubles yield if increased to 50% soil moisture), MESEV (changed to R--increases yield by 300 kg/ha) EVAPO (changed to F--increased yield by 300 kg/ha) Soil SLNF, SLPF, SALB, SLU1, SLDR (negligible effects) Although I wasn't worried as much about them, I also changed SDUL, SLLL, and SAT values by 10% in the direction that would produce less PAW. These had small effects (~ 100 kg/ha or less--oddly, lowering SDUL and SSAT produces small increases in yields). SLOC is already low, so I wouldn't expect this to be the culprit behind these unrealistic results. I also tested different cultivar coefficients. These, together with cultivars, together with SH20, had the largest effects on yields, but none of these increased the number of years in which crops failed, which is the value I was expecting to move. These remain constant at 3 no matter how I tweak the model. There are of course other parameters to test in DSSAT, but these to me seemed the most obvious places to look. Since all these tweaks still end up with production in 16 out of 19 years in a place that probably shouldn't grow any maize, I was hoping for some pointers on where else I might look to bring the simulations closer to reality. My only other thought is that the model is overestimating soil moisture retention in the deep sandy soil, but I am not sure how I would fix this outside of making the soil shallower. Perhaps I am missing something rather obvious in my settings? Thanks in advance for any help. Cheers, Lyndon ********************************************************************* This email and all contents are subject to the following disclaimer: http://www.sasa.org.za/emaildisclaimer619.aspx ********************************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:13:48 -0400 Reply-To: "Boote,Kenneth J" <[log in to unmask]> Sender: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications <[log in to unmask]> From: "Boote,Kenneth J" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Unrealistic maize yields Comments: To: Abraham Singels <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lyndon, I'm a bit surprised too, unless you start with too much soil moisture. You said 20% starting soil moisture. If so, that is higher than your DUL. Or did you mean 20% of available PAW, set in File X with XBUILD? Another possibility is that you have genetic coefficients set too high (starting with a very productive cultivar): P5=850.0 G2=800.0 G3=10.00. Values of G2 and G3 this high should give 12 mt yield potential if you have no water or N limitations. The G3 is higher than I've ever seen it for CERES-Maize. In addition, you have an SLPF of 1.00 in the soil file. A value of 1.00 should be reserved for the best soils in the world (Midwestern USA or Argentine pampas). Your soil seems unremarkable, with low SOC and should have a lower SLPF. Ken Boote -----Original Message----- From: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Abraham Singels Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 12:12 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Unrealistic maize yields Hi Lyndon The late Andre du Toit made several changes to the Ceres Maize model to get it to simulate maize growth and yield in South Africa better. Some of these were published in the S.A. Journal of Plant and Soil. They may have info that could help you. To me the answer (at least an important part of it) lies in the weather data. I could comment if you send me the daily data, especially rainfall and reference evaporation. What are the lat and long of the site? Abraham Singels -----Original Message----- From: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lyndon Estes Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 10:01 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Unrealistic maize yields Dear DSSAT users, I am busy with a country-scale (South Africa) maize study, and I am getting some unrealistically optimistic yield estimates in arid areas of the country where dryland maize is not viable. For example, here are a few summary statistics (averaged over 19 years of runs, with reinitialization each year) for one location where mean annual rainfall is 276 mm. YEARS PRCM yield cv.yield N failures days to maturity 1980-1999 159 1127 89 3 101 This was done with a 20% starting soil moisture content measured each July 15th (soil NO3 = 0.9; NH4 = 0.1), with auto-planting occurring anytime between the end of October and mid-January provided soil moisture in the top 25 cm exceeds 70%. I am working with fairly minimal inputs, particularly for soil, since I couldn't get or extrapolate information on KSat, Ph, CEC, etc. Here's the soil: *LTAf000404 ARC LT -99 120 Landtype LTAf000404 @SITE COUNTRY LAT LONG SCS FAMILY -99 S.Africa -99 -99 Landtype group Af @ SCOM SALB SLU1 SLDR SLRO SLNF SLPF SMHB SMPX SMKE -99 0.13 6.0 0.80 61.5 1.00 1.00 -99 -99 -99 @ SLB SLMH SLLL SDUL SSAT SRGF SSKS SBDM SLOC SLCL SLSI SLCF SLNI SLHW SLHB SCEC SADC 13 A1 0.064 0.158 0.308 1.000 -99 1.83 0.09 2.0 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 26 A2 0.064 0.158 0.308 1.000 -99 1.83 0.09 2.0 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 40 A3 0.064 0.158 0.308 0.517 -99 1.83 0.08 2.0 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 67 B1 0.062 0.169 0.335 0.343 -99 1.76 0.06 3.3 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 94 B2 0.062 0.169 0.335 0.200 -99 1.76 0.02 3.3 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 120 B3 0.062 0.169 0.335 0.118 -99 1.76 0.00 3.3 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 And cultivar coefficients KR0169 KROONSTAD(MICH) . IB0001 200.0 0.750 850.0 800.0 10.00 45.00 I throw down 32 kg/ha of ammonium nitrate at planting, and have a planting density of 2.0 and row-spacing of 200 cm. I have done some sensitivity analyses on certain variables: X file SH20 (doubles yield if increased to 50% soil moisture), MESEV (changed to R--increases yield by 300 kg/ha) EVAPO (changed to F--increased yield by 300 kg/ha) Soil SLNF, SLPF, SALB, SLU1, SLDR (negligible effects) Although I wasn't worried as much about them, I also changed SDUL, SLLL, and SAT values by 10% in the direction that would produce less PAW. These had small effects (~ 100 kg/ha or less--oddly, lowering SDUL and SSAT produces small increases in yields). SLOC is already low, so I wouldn't expect this to be the culprit behind these unrealistic results. I also tested different cultivar coefficients. These, together with cultivars, together with SH20, had the largest effects on yields, but none of these increased the number of years in which crops failed, which is the value I was expecting to move. These remain constant at 3 no matter how I tweak the model. There are of course other parameters to test in DSSAT, but these to me seemed the most obvious places to look. Since all these tweaks still end up with production in 16 out of 19 years in a place that probably shouldn't grow any maize, I was hoping for some pointers on where else I might look to bring the simulations closer to reality. My only other thought is that the model is overestimating soil moisture retention in the deep sandy soil, but I am not sure how I would fix this outside of making the soil shallower. Perhaps I am missing something rather obvious in my settings? Thanks in advance for any help. Cheers, Lyndon ********************************************************************* This email and all contents are subject to the following disclaimer: http://www.sasa.org.za/emaildisclaimer619.aspx ********************************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:55:00 -0600 Reply-To: "White, Jeffrey" <[log in to unmask]> Sender: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications <[log in to unmask]> From: "White, Jeffrey" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Unrealistic maize yields In-Reply-To: A<[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I would add to Ken's observations that across crop species, it is very hard to model yield accurately under extreme stress. Among other things in real-world situations, you often have loss of plant stand and with severely stunted growth, a harsher microclimate than with a closed canopy. - Jeff White -----Original Message----- From: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Boote,Kenneth J Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 1:14 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Unrealistic maize yields Lyndon, I'm a bit surprised too, unless you start with too much soil moisture. You said 20% starting soil moisture. If so, that is higher than your DUL. Or did you mean 20% of available PAW, set in File X with XBUILD? Another possibility is that you have genetic coefficients set too high (starting with a very productive cultivar): P5=850.0 G2=800.0 G3=10.00. Values of G2 and G3 this high should give 12 mt yield potential if you have no water or N limitations. The G3 is higher than I've ever seen it for CERES-Maize. In addition, you have an SLPF of 1.00 in the soil file. A value of 1.00 should be reserved for the best soils in the world (Midwestern USA or Argentine pampas). Your soil seems unremarkable, with low SOC and should have a lower SLPF. Ken Boote -----Original Message----- From: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Abraham Singels Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 12:12 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Unrealistic maize yields Hi Lyndon The late Andre du Toit made several changes to the Ceres Maize model to get it to simulate maize growth and yield in South Africa better. Some of these were published in the S.A. Journal of Plant and Soil. They may have info that could help you. To me the answer (at least an important part of it) lies in the weather data. I could comment if you send me the daily data, especially rainfall and reference evaporation. What are the lat and long of the site? Abraham Singels -----Original Message----- From: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lyndon Estes Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 10:01 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Unrealistic maize yields Dear DSSAT users, I am busy with a country-scale (South Africa) maize study, and I am getting some unrealistically optimistic yield estimates in arid areas of the country where dryland maize is not viable. For example, here are a few summary statistics (averaged over 19 years of runs, with reinitialization each year) for one location where mean annual rainfall is 276 mm. YEARS PRCM yield cv.yield N failures days to maturity 1980-1999 159 1127 89 3 101 This was done with a 20% starting soil moisture content measured each July 15th (soil NO3 = 0.9; NH4 = 0.1), with auto-planting occurring anytime between the end of October and mid-January provided soil moisture in the top 25 cm exceeds 70%. I am working with fairly minimal inputs, particularly for soil, since I couldn't get or extrapolate information on KSat, Ph, CEC, etc. Here's the soil: *LTAf000404 ARC LT -99 120 Landtype LTAf000404 @SITE COUNTRY LAT LONG SCS FAMILY -99 S.Africa -99 -99 Landtype group Af @ SCOM SALB SLU1 SLDR SLRO SLNF SLPF SMHB SMPX SMKE -99 0.13 6.0 0.80 61.5 1.00 1.00 -99 -99 -99 @ SLB SLMH SLLL SDUL SSAT SRGF SSKS SBDM SLOC SLCL SLSI SLCF SLNI SLHW SLHB SCEC SADC 13 A1 0.064 0.158 0.308 1.000 -99 1.83 0.09 2.0 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 26 A2 0.064 0.158 0.308 1.000 -99 1.83 0.09 2.0 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 40 A3 0.064 0.158 0.308 0.517 -99 1.83 0.08 2.0 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 67 B1 0.062 0.169 0.335 0.343 -99 1.76 0.06 3.3 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 94 B2 0.062 0.169 0.335 0.200 -99 1.76 0.02 3.3 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 120 B3 0.062 0.169 0.335 0.118 -99 1.76 0.00 3.3 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 -99 And cultivar coefficients KR0169 KROONSTAD(MICH) . IB0001 200.0 0.750 850.0 800.0 10.00 45.00 I throw down 32 kg/ha of ammonium nitrate at planting, and have a planting density of 2.0 and row-spacing of 200 cm. I have done some sensitivity analyses on certain variables: X file SH20 (doubles yield if increased to 50% soil moisture), MESEV (changed to R--increases yield by 300 kg/ha) EVAPO (changed to F--increased yield by 300 kg/ha) Soil SLNF, SLPF, SALB, SLU1, SLDR (negligible effects) Although I wasn't worried as much about them, I also changed SDUL, SLLL, and SAT values by 10% in the direction that would produce less PAW. These had small effects (~ 100 kg/ha or less--oddly, lowering SDUL and SSAT produces small increases in yields). SLOC is already low, so I wouldn't expect this to be the culprit behind these unrealistic results. I also tested different cultivar coefficients. These, together with cultivars, together with SH20, had the largest effects on yields, but none of these increased the number of years in which crops failed, which is the value I was expecting to move. These remain constant at 3 no matter how I tweak the model. There are of course other parameters to test in DSSAT, but these to me seemed the most obvious places to look. Since all these tweaks still end up with production in 16 out of 19 years in a place that probably shouldn't grow any maize, I was hoping for some pointers on where else I might look to bring the simulations closer to reality. My only other thought is that the model is overestimating soil moisture retention in the deep sandy soil, but I am not sure how I would fix this outside of making the soil shallower. Perhaps I am missing something rather obvious in my settings? Thanks in advance for any help. Cheers, Lyndon ********************************************************************* This email and all contents are subject to the following disclaimer: http://www.sasa.org.za/emaildisclaimer619.aspx ********************************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:40:12 -0400 Reply-To: Lyndon Estes <[log in to unmask]> Sender: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications <[log in to unmask]> From: Lyndon Estes <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Unrealistic maize yields Comments: To: "White, Jeffrey" <[log in to unmask]>, "Boote,Kenneth J" <[log in to unmask]>, "abraham.singels" <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear Ken, Abraham, and Jeffrey, Thanks very much to you and others who have responded directly for your comments and suggestions. To avoid filling everyone's inbox with back and forth and follow-up questions, I will respond directly without hitting the list. Once I have identified the particular variables/datasets behind my results, I will post a summary to the list in case anyone else is interested in this issue. Thanks very much, Lyndon ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 14:30:09 +0200 Reply-To: Jans Bobert <[log in to unmask]> Sender: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications <[log in to unmask]> From: Jans Bobert <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Unrealistic maize yields Comments: To: Lyndon Estes <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Lyndon, yes, please post your findings; in my view this is one of the main functions of the list! I am currently busy calibrating several East African maize varieties, which are adapted towards changing climatic conditions. We can compare our findings, which might be helpful also for other users. Looking forward for your summary. Greetings from Berlin, Jans Am 4/27/2011 1:40 PM, schrieb Lyndon Estes: > Dear Ken, Abraham, and Jeffrey, > > Thanks very much to you and others who have responded directly for your > comments and suggestions. > > To avoid filling everyone's inbox with back and forth and follow-up > questions, I will respond directly without hitting the list. Once I have > identified the particular variables/datasets behind my results, I will post > a summary to the list in case anyone else is interested in this issue. > > Thanks very much, > > Lyndon -- ____________________________ Jans Bobert Stavangerstrasse 23 10439 Berlin Germany phone: ++49 (0)30 6923768 email: [log in to unmask] ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 05:58:36 -0700 Reply-To: Behnam <[log in to unmask]> Sender: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications <[log in to unmask]> From: Behnam <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Having Different Treatments if a Sequential Simulation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear Users, I designed a Sequential Simulation and the TREATMENT section is below: *TREATMENTS -------------FACTOR LEVELS------------ @N R O C TNAME.................... CU FL SA IC MP MI MF MR MC MT ME MH SM 1 1 1 0 A1 1 1 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 2 1 0 Fallow 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 1 1 3 1 0 A1 1 1 0 0 2 17 2 0 0 0 0 2 1 2 1 1 0 A2 1 1 0 0 1 2 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 2 2 1 0 Fallow 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 1 2 3 1 0 A2 1 1 0 0 2 18 2 0 0 0 0 2 1 3 1 1 0 A3 1 1 0 0 1 3 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 3 2 1 0 Fallow 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 1 3 3 1 0 A3 1 1 0 0 2 19 2 0 0 0 0 2 1 4 1 1 0 A4 1 1 0 0 1 4 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 4 2 1 0 Fallow 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 1 4 3 1 0 A4 1 1 0 0 2 20 2 0 0 0 0 2 1 But, it doesn't run levels except the first level. Isn't it possible to have, for example, different irrigation treatments in such a simulation? Best Behnam ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:13:23 -0400 Reply-To: "Brandt, Kelsey" <[log in to unmask]> Sender: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications <[log in to unmask]> From: "Brandt, Kelsey" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Evapotranspiration Model MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, =20 If we only have a minimum data set (SRAD, Minimum Temperature, Maximum = Temperature and Precipitation), and select FAO56 as our = evapotranspiration model, what model is actually used? Does DSSAT = default to a certain model, or will it calculate values so it can use = the FAO56 model? =20 Thanks, Kelsey =20 Kelsey Brandt Semiarid Prairie Agricultural Research Centre | Centre de resecherches = agricoles de la region semi-aride Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada | Agriculture et Agroalimentaire Canada Box 1030, Swift Current, Saskatchewan S9H 3X2 [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>=20 Telephone | T=E9l=E9phone 306-778-3107 Facsimile | T=E9l=E9copieur 306-778-3188 Teletypewriter | T=E9l=E9imprimeur 613-773-2600 Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada=20 =20 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:49:07 +0300 Reply-To: "Munoz, Giovanni (FAOSEC)" <[log in to unmask]> Sender: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications <[log in to unmask]> From: "Munoz, Giovanni (FAOSEC)" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Evapotranspiration Model Comments: To: "Brandt, Kelsey" <[log in to unmask]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Kelsey, The FAO Irrigation and Drainage paper 56 "Crop Evapotranspiration" describes methods to calculate Reference Evapotranspiration (ETo) even if only temperature data are available. The publication is available at: http://www.fao.org/docrep/X0490E/X0490E00.htm The CROPWAT 8.0 software facilitates the use of these procedures and calculations. CROPWAT 8.0 is freely available at: http://www.fao.org/nr/water/infores_databases_cropwat.html Regards, Giovanni Munoz FAO -----Original Message----- From: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brandt, Kelsey Sent: 28 April 2011 17:13 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Evapotranspiration Model Hi all, If we only have a minimum data set (SRAD, Minimum Temperature, Maximum Temperature and Precipitation), and select FAO56 as our evapotranspiration model, what model is actually used? Does DSSAT default to a certain model, or will it calculate values so it can use the FAO56 model? Thanks, Kelsey Kelsey Brandt Semiarid Prairie Agricultural Research Centre | Centre de resecherches agricoles de la region semi-aride Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada | Agriculture et Agroalimentaire Canada Box 1030, Swift Current, Saskatchewan S9H 3X2 [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> Telephone | Téléphone 306-778-3107 Facsimile | Télécopieur 306-778-3188 Teletypewriter | Téléimprimeur 613-773-2600 Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:39:40 +0200 Reply-To: "Jon I. Lizaso" <[log in to unmask]> Sender: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications <[log in to unmask]> From: "Jon I. Lizaso" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Evapotranspiration Model Comments: To: "Brandt, Kelsey" <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kelsey, If only the minimum weather data set is available, then the model will use the Priestley-Taylor method. To use Penman-Monteith-FAO56 method you will need information on wind and dew-point temperature. Best regards, Jon -----Mensaje original----- De: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications [mailto:[log in to unmask]] En nombre de Brandt, Kelsey Enviado el: Thursday, April 28, 2011 4:13 PM Para: [log in to unmask] Asunto: Evapotranspiration Model Hi all, If we only have a minimum data set (SRAD, Minimum Temperature, Maximum Temperature and Precipitation), and select FAO56 as our evapotranspiration model, what model is actually used? Does DSSAT default to a certain model, or will it calculate values so it can use the FAO56 model? Thanks, Kelsey Kelsey Brandt Semiarid Prairie Agricultural Research Centre | Centre de resecherches agricoles de la region semi-aride Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada | Agriculture et Agroalimentaire Canada Box 1030, Swift Current, Saskatchewan S9H 3X2 [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> Telephone | Téléphone 306-778-3107 Facsimile | Télécopieur 306-778-3188 Teletypewriter | Téléimprimeur 613-773-2600 Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:42:32 +0200 Reply-To: Sebastian <[log in to unmask]> Sender: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications <[log in to unmask]> From: Sebastian <[log in to unmask]> Organization: UIB Subject: Agroecological zonning using DSSAT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, I'm looking information about Agroecological zonning using DSSAT. Does = anybody know about some study or papers related?=20 Regards,=20 Ing. Agr. (MSc) Sebasti=E1n Cambareri Responsable Laboratorio Grupo Agrometeorolog=EDa =C1rea Recursos Naturales y Gesti=F3n Ambiental INTA EEA Balcarce RN 226 km 73.5 - (7620) cc 276 Balcarce, Buenos Aires ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:02:53 -0400 Reply-To: "Boote,Kenneth J" <[log in to unmask]> Sender: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications <[log in to unmask]> From: "Boote,Kenneth J" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Evapotranspiration Model Comments: To: "Jon I. Lizaso" <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <001701cc05ba$7cfb9460$76f2bd20$@[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit All, I don't think Jon is right on this. I think that if you specify the FAO-56 ET option and only have SRAD, Tmin, Tmax, and rainfall, the model will still run FAO-56, but it does this with the assumption that Tdew is equal to Tmin, and with a default windspeed that is buried in the code somewhere. Jon is right in saying that you should really only use Priestley-Taylor in this case. But I think the model runs FAO-56 with the two assumptions that I indicated. Happy computing, Ken Boote -----Original Message----- From: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jon I. Lizaso Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 11:40 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Evapotranspiration Model Kelsey, If only the minimum weather data set is available, then the model will use the Priestley-Taylor method. To use Penman-Monteith-FAO56 method you will need information on wind and dew-point temperature. Best regards, Jon -----Mensaje original----- De: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications [mailto:[log in to unmask]] En nombre de Brandt, Kelsey Enviado el: Thursday, April 28, 2011 4:13 PM Para: [log in to unmask] Asunto: Evapotranspiration Model Hi all, If we only have a minimum data set (SRAD, Minimum Temperature, Maximum Temperature and Precipitation), and select FAO56 as our evapotranspiration model, what model is actually used? Does DSSAT default to a certain model, or will it calculate values so it can use the FAO56 model? Thanks, Kelsey Kelsey Brandt Semiarid Prairie Agricultural Research Centre | Centre de resecherches agricoles de la region semi-aride Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada | Agriculture et Agroalimentaire Canada Box 1030, Swift Current, Saskatchewan S9H 3X2 [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> Telephone | Téléphone 306-778-3107 Facsimile | Télécopieur 306-778-3188 Teletypewriter | Téléimprimeur 613-773-2600 Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 00:26:48 +0530 Reply-To: jagan TNAU <[log in to unmask]> Sender: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications <[log in to unmask]> From: jagan TNAU <[log in to unmask]> Subject: CO2 environment modification MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=000325554c7e9bacb504a1ff1e3c --000325554c7e9bacb504a1ff1e3c Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325554c7e9bacac04a1ff1e3a --000325554c7e9bacac04a1ff1e3a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear all, I am trying to predict the yield of potato for future climate projections. Using the downscaled weather data (TMAX, TMIN, SRAD & RAIN) for 2011 t0 2020 I modified the CO2 in the Environment modifications menu and made simulation for all the 10 years. Unfortunately with CO2 addition and without it fresh tuber yields are same. Please see in attachment the PTX file and Evaluate.out for verification. Where I am doing wrong? -- With regards Dr.R.Jagannathan Professor of Agronomy, Department of Agronomy Tamil Nadu Agricultural University, Coimbatore - 641 003 India PHONE: Mob: +91 94438 89891 DO NOT PRINT THIS E-MAIL UNLESS NECESSARY. THE ENVIRONMENT CONCERNS US ALL. --000325554c7e9bacac04a1ff1e3a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div>Dear all,</div> <div>=A0</div> <div>I am trying to predict the yield of potato for future climate projecti= ons. Using the downscaled weather data (TMAX, TMIN, SRAD & RAIN) for 20= 11 t0 2020 I modified the CO2 in the Environment modifications menu and mad= e simulation for all the 10 years. Unfortunately with CO2 addition and with= out it fresh tuber yields are same. Please see in attachment the PTX file a= nd Evaluate.out for verification. Where I am doing wrong?<br clear=3D"all"> <br>-- <br>With regards<br><br>Dr.R.Jagannathan=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 <br>Professor of Agronomy,<br>Department of Agronomy<br>Tamil Nadu Agri= cultural University, <br>Coimbatore - 641 003 India=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 <br><br>= PHONE:=A0 Mob: +91 94438 89891<br> <br>DO NOT PRINT THIS E-MAIL UNLESS NECESSARY. 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charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear all, While it is true that a number of assumptions are made in order to use the FAO Penman-Monteith equation with limited data sets, it has been proven that still the differences in results between using Penman- Monteith with full data as opposed to limited data sets are however smaller than the differences when using any alternative ETo equation, including Priestley-Taylor. You can find further details on this topic at: http://www.fao.org/docrep/X0490E/x0490e06.htm#need%20for%20a%20standard%20eto%20method Regards, Giovanni Munoz FAO On 28 Apr 2011, at 21:02, Boote,Kenneth J wrote: > All, > > I don't think Jon is right on this. I think that if you specify the > FAO-56 ET option and only have SRAD, Tmin, Tmax, and rainfall, the > model will still run FAO-56, but it does this with the assumption > that Tdew is equal to Tmin, and with a default windspeed that is > buried in the code somewhere. > > Jon is right in saying that you should really only use Priestley- > Taylor in this case. But I think the model runs FAO-56 with the two > assumptions that I indicated. > > Happy computing, > Ken Boote > > -----Original Message----- > From: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications [mailto:[log in to unmask] > ] On Behalf Of Jon I. Lizaso > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 11:40 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Evapotranspiration Model > > Kelsey, > If only the minimum weather data set is available, then the model > will use > the Priestley-Taylor method. To use Penman-Monteith-FAO56 method you > will > need information on wind and dew-point temperature. > Best regards, > Jon > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications [mailto:[log in to unmask] > ] En > nombre de Brandt, Kelsey > Enviado el: Thursday, April 28, 2011 4:13 PM > Para: [log in to unmask] > Asunto: Evapotranspiration Model > > Hi all, > > > > If we only have a minimum data set (SRAD, Minimum Temperature, Maximum > Temperature and Precipitation), and select FAO56 as our > evapotranspiration > model, what model is actually used? Does DSSAT default to a certain > model, > or will it calculate values so it can use the FAO56 model? > > > > Thanks, > > Kelsey > > > > Kelsey Brandt > Semiarid Prairie Agricultural Research Centre | Centre de resecherches > agricoles de la region semi-aride > Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada | Agriculture et Agroalimentaire > Canada > Box 1030, Swift Current, Saskatchewan S9H 3X2 > [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Telephone | Téléphone 306-778-3107 > Facsimile | Télécopieur 306-778-3188 > Teletypewriter | Téléimprimeur 613-773-2600 > Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:53:10 -0400 Reply-To: "Boote,Kenneth J" <[log in to unmask]> Sender: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications <[log in to unmask]> From: "Boote,Kenneth J" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: CO2 environment modification Comments: To: jagan TNAU <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jagannathan, I looked at your PTX. I'm going to guess at a few things and let you try t= hem out. First, your EM is set to 11000, but your start of simulation date is 11314.= There is a strong probability that the model never comes to your "modific= ation" date, and therefore does not change the CO2. Either set your EM to = be 11314, or your start of simulate to 11000 in Simulation Controls. A less likely possibility is that the CO2 is set to "D" in Simulation Contr= ols, giving you 380 ppm, and EM does not change it (But I don't believe thi= s is the problem). You could set CO2 in Simulation Controls to Mauna Loa (= M), and see what that does. A last possibility is that the potato model is not sensitive to CO2 (I hope= that is not the case). Ken Boote From: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications [mailto:[log in to unmask]] = On Behalf Of jagan TNAU Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 2:57 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: CO2 environment modification Dear all, I am trying to predict the yield of potato for future climate projections. = Using the downscaled weather data (TMAX, TMIN, SRAD & RAIN) for 2011 t0 202= 0 I modified the CO2 in the Environment modifications menu and made simulat= ion for all the 10 years. Unfortunately with CO2 addition and without it fr= esh tuber yields are same. Please see in attachment the PTX file and Evalua= te.out for verification. Where I am doing wrong? -- With regards Dr.R.Jagannathan Professor of Agronomy, Department of Agronomy Tamil Nadu Agricultural University, Coimbatore - 641 003 India PHONE: Mob: +91 94438 89891 DO NOT PRINT THIS E-MAIL UNLESS NECESSARY. THE ENVIRONMENT CONCERNS US ALL. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:35:18 -0700 Reply-To: Behnam <[log in to unmask]> Sender: DSSAT - Crop Models and Applications <[log in to unmask]> From: Behnam <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: CO2 environment modification In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear Dr.Jagannathan, I think the problem is related to the date you specified for the change in CO2 concentration. I tested a similar issue in my models. I saw that where the fertilizer application date is before the planting date, even if the simulation is run before both of them, the effect of fertilizer application is ignored. I suggest to check ENVIRONMENT MODIFICATIONS section and set the modification date to a date after planting date. Best Behnam