an update... today i found- with some trial and error- my way to Follys Creek in Accomac VA, the type locality from the 1951 Nautilus paper...today its a public boat launch with no shells, shell piles, or commercial fleet other than one small oyster boat that i saw. A ride down "Oyster House Road" ended in a dead end, private property, and nothing resembling an oyster house at a much smaller saltwater creek. i did find one dead large Urosalpinx ca 40mm. in some shell pile material at Wachapreague VA. afterwards, i went to Toms Cove in Assateauge for a good -0.2 low tide, (unlike my last two visits.) It took a little effort, including traversing some salt marsh and sloppy mud, but the population of large Urosalpinx cinerea follyensis that i saw evidence of in 1976 is still present, there were live shells, dead shells, crabbed shells, shells laying eggs.... i wasnt able to measure any shells yet but 45mm or so is a reasonable estimate. I was also able to find similarly large Eupleura caudata etterae, ca 40mm maybe.... i hadnt seen those in 1976 but assumed they could be there. the areas with Eupleura also had Nassarius vibex that looked bigger than any i have seen from either the NE, or Florida. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [log in to unmask] - a forum for informal discussions on molluscs To leave this list, click on the following web link: http://listserv.uga.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=conch-l&A=1 Type your email address and name in the appropriate box and click leave the list. ----------------------------------------------------------------------