Here's an index for the Kaicher cards (prepared by Paul Callomon): <https://conchologistsofamerica.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/kaicher_alphabetic.pdf> and a link to the Femorale feature: <http://www.femorale.com/kaicher/>. These are posted on the *COA website *at <http://conchologistsofamerica.org/additional-information-resources/>. Harry On 5/6/2020 11:41 AM, steve rosenthal wrote: > here are two sources that I would try first: > > 1. A Conchological Iconography: Family Turbinidae (A Conchological > Iconography) Loose Leaf – January 1, 2003 > by Axel Alf & Kurt Kreipl (text) (Author), Kurt Kreipl & Guido Poppe > Axel Alf (Photographer), ConchBooks (Editor) > > this may be findable on Amazon, or from shell dealers who sell books, > or directly from the publisher. I have a copy, and still have many > specimens I can not be 100% sure of. It also doesnt include species > named since 2003. I am pretty sure it has all the species mentioned > in the posted query. > > 2. Sally Kaicher cards for Turbinidae....you can find these online on > the shell dealer FEMORALE website, where all the Kaicher cards are > viewable for no costs....filed under "Kaicher Cards" and then by > family, Turbinidae. An excellent feature of their website! > > On 5/6/20, Ron G. Noseworthy > <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> Hi, Louis! >> >> Living in Korea for the past 20 years, I have handled hundreds of "sora", >> Turbo cornutus. It is a common food species here, and often found in shell >> dumps outside of restaurants and "haenyo stations", which the diving women >> of Jeju Ialand use to clean and process their catch. >> >> Most of the T. cornutus found here are spiny but some may be found without >> spines. Completely spineless ones are quite scarce; I keep them when I find >> them. However, many may be found with the upper portion of the body whorl >> spineless and a row of spines developing near the base. They appear to >> intergrade with the completely spiny ones. Not only subadults, but also >> adult specimens may be like this. I have some from Japan that are completely >> spineless. >> >> Can someone tell me the difference between T. stenogyrus and T. cornutus >> (smooth form)? T. stenogyrus has been reported from Korea, but I have never >> found one. >> >> All the best! >> Ron Noseworthy >> >> On Wednesday, May 6, 2020, 09:26:27 p.m. GMT+9, Louis Wang >> <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> >> Dear all, >> Since childhood, I continuously received small Turbo specieslike Turbo >> intercostalis , and after ages, when I increase my knowledge, Ithink >> undoubtedly there's a handful of small Turbo species which are very close,I >> listed all the confusing species as follow:1.Turbo intercostalis2.Turbo >> cornutus (hornless form)3.Turbo brunneus4.Turbo cernicus5.Turbo >> smithi6.Turbo haynesi7.Turbo sandwicensis8.Turbo stenogyrus >> Since they vary a lot in pattern and color which makes this kindof >> identification not reliable, I would say potiential identifications canstart >> from following aspects: >> A. How strong the "cords"texture is there on the body. Some do have less >> developped "cords"than others. >> >> B. Whether there're multiple produced "scales"on the "cords" or not. The >> "scales" on "cords"for certain species are less obvious. >> >> C.Whether there's a navel on the bottomor not. I think it will be a fixed >> feature for a certain species. >> >> D. Shape of the aperture. >> >> Any good ideas for this kind of complexis welcome! >> Kind regards, >> Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [log in to unmask] - a forum for informal discussions on molluscs To leave this list, click on the following web link: http://listserv.uga.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=conch-l&A=1 Type your email address and name in the appropriate box and click leave the list. ----------------------------------------------------------------------