On 18-Feb-24 1:52 p.m., [log in to unmask] wrote: > Going to get messy. If picking up a shell on the deck of a boat is > “self-collected,” then isn’t picking up a shell discarded in a “dump,” > trash heap, or dumpster also “self-collected?” What about collecting > shells off stored crab (other) traps. Then, there’re those I collected > /ex pisce. //Did I collect the shell or did the fish? And, when my dive > buddy picks up a shell and gives it to me because I’m the collector, is > that self-collected or a gift? And, if not, what if she points it out > to me and I pick it up? Is it then self-collected?/ * as a scientific collector who has never fretted about this, I would say that "self-collected" just means that the current keeper of the specimen was the first to enter it into a collection by writing down its data, even if it had transient movement or handling by someone else. The alternatives would be "purchased," "exchanged," or "inherited." fred schueler ------------------------------------------------------------ Frederick W. Schueler & Aleta Karstad Fragile Inheritance Natural History - https://fragileinheritance.ca/ FI Newsletter - https://clt1233162.benchmarkurl.com/c/v?e=15E5037&c=12D10A&t=0&l=53EF5F06 2022 annual letter: https://clt1233162.bmeurl.co/EFE49F7 6 St-Lawrence Street Bishops Mills, RR#2 Oxford Station, Ontario K0G 1T0 on the Smiths Falls Limestone Plain 44.87156° N 75.70095° W (613)258-3107 <bckcdb at istar.ca> ------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [log in to unmask] - a forum for informal discussions on molluscs To leave this list, click on the following web link: http://listserv.uga.edu/scripts/wa-UGA.exe?SUBED1=conch-l-L&A=1 Type your email address and name in the appropriate box and click leave the list. ----------------------------------------------------------------------