----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Reply: Item #1478833 from [log in to unmask]@INTERNET#on 93/11/02 at 12:19 Your surest bet for a North American raised relief is Nystrom (in Chicago--they have a 1-800 number). The other two major US manufacurers, Kistler and Hubbard Scientific, do not, I believe have full North America pieces. There is at least one German source for raised relief maps (Perthes?), and a limited selection from IGN in France. Finally, there were some interesting pieces I saw in Frankfurt in September 1991, produced by PPWK in Poland and the old Soyuzcarta in the USSR. No idea what's become of them.