----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I usually make the line (whatever it is), color it black, duplicate it and make the duplicate one printer unit (.003 on most laser printers) narrower and white. Then I group those two lines which gives me the effect of a railroad pen. Next I do the trick with short lines. Instead of using a font, I make a line of the width and length I want. Then I duplicate it about a jillion times and place each individual piece wherever I want it on the grouped lines. I wasn't too satisfied with the way lower case els worked because they tended to run into each other going around a curve on the line. HTH. virginia