2 messages.-----------------------Johnnie --------------------------------------------------------- >Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 02:44:58 -0400 >From: Russell Guy <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Bibliography of British Hydrographic Maps Kenton; Try contacting U.K. Hydrographic Office, Admiralty Road, Taunton, Somerset TA1 2DN. Fax 44-1823-323 753. Attn: Rachel Chidgey, Sales Office At 02:19 PM 9/19/96 EDT, you wrote: >----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >Hello, >My name is Kenton Spading. I live in St. Paul, Minnesota, USA >Phone, 612-290-5623, fax, 612-631-9084 >TIGHAR Research > >I am looking for bibliographic information about British Hydrographic maps. I ----------------------- Body of message deleted ----------------------- Russell Guy OMNI Resources International Map Specialists [log in to unmask] http://www.omnimap.com ------------------------------------------------------- >Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 10:32:48 +0100 >From: [log in to unmask] (Andrew Cook) >Subject: Re: Bibliography of British Hydrographic Maps Kenton Spading You have a British Admiralty Chart. The publisher archive of these is at Hydrographic Data Centre Archives, UK Hydrographic Office, Admiralty Way, Taunton TA1 2DN. Telephone +44 182 333 7900; Fax +44 182 328 4077; no E-mail. They can tell you, from their Old Copy Bundles register, how many editions have been published since your time period. You need to give them the chart number. This is the bold printed number at the right side of the bottom margin of the chart, and I guess it should be 2915 for the chart you have described. It's the one item you haven't recorded in your otherwise comprehensive notes. Chart 2915 was published in 1864, and went into new editions (new plates) in 1872, 1911 and 1914. Small corrections (often manuscript, and noted in weekly 'Notices to Mariners') were made from then until the date of printing of your chart, 1925, and beyond. Often coverage limits of particular charts change, and new charts with new numbers are issued, but 2915 has since 1864 always represented Bay Bulls to Placentia. The current edition is also 2915. Books published on the history of the Admiralty Hydrographic Office generally do not deal with the charting of particular geographical areas as minutely as you might wish. For the period of Richards' survey, read A Day, The Admiralty Hydrographic Service 1795-1919, London, 1967. Do not forget that charts were only one medium of information for navigators: see also the text descriptions in Admiralty Pilots, particularly The Newfoundland and Labrador Pilot, Vol I, 5th ed 1917, and subsequent editions (the 6th edition, of 1929, was a combined edition, two vols in one). But as soon as your questions become area-specific, rather than simply about Admiralty publishing practice, you should go to the country experts: National Archives Map Collection in Ottawa, and Memorial University of Newfoundland Map Collection at St Johns. Who knows, provoked by me, they may even post replies themselves! Andrew Cook Dr A S Cook Map Archivist India Office Records The British Library 197 Blackfriars Road E-mail: [log in to unmask] London SE1 8NG Phone: +44 171 412 7828 United Kingdom Fax: +44 171 412 7858 ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Date: 18/09/96 23:34 Poster: Kenton Spading <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Bibliography of British Hydrographic Maps ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello, My name is Kenton Spading. I live in St. Paul, Minnesota, USA Phone, 612-290-5623, fax, 612-631-9084 TIGHAR Research I am looking for bibliographic information about British Hydrographic maps. I am using a hydrographic map as part of a research project I am working on. I am going to include the map as an enclosure. It is a key part of my research. I want to include a section in my report that discusses the history of these maps and some background information. My local map library at the University of Minnesota was not able to supply me with this information and suggested that I try this forum. A description of the map I am working with is included below. My questions are: Is there a reference book that discusses these maps? Where can I get background information about the British Hydrographic Maps series? The map I have is dated 1925. How many editions of this map were published after this date? Where can I view or obtain copies of later editions of these maps? I have included some information about my research at the end of this message in case you are interested in my project. Thank you for your help! The map I have is labeled as follows: [top center of the map] North America South East Coast of Newfoundland Bays Bulls to Placentia Surveyed by Capt Orlebar, R.N. Assisted by Com Hancock, Messr Cary Clifton, Des Brisay & Hyndman, R.N. [bottom center margin of the map] London, Published by the Admiralty Oct 15th 1864 under the Superintendence of Capt. G.H. Richards, R.N. Hydrographer New Editions May 1872, 14th June 1911, 13th March 1914 Sold by J.D. Potter, Agent for the Admiralty Charts, 145 Minories [lower left corner margin] Small corrections VIII - 14 X - 15 at this point various dates with numbers are listed extending from 1919 to 1925 BACKGROUND INFORMATION: I am doing research into folklore from the Avalon Pennisula in New Foundland, Canada. The folklore revolves around stories involving an "airplane in the pond". The plane could be any of a number of planes that were lost in the area during the early attempts at trans-Atlantic air crossings (prior to early 1927). In particular I am looking for a French plane called the White Bird. The White Bird disappeared (May 9, 1927) in an attempt to make the first solo Atlantic crossing. It is historically significant due to the fact that Charles Linbergh's successful flight occurred only 10 days later. Mr. Lindbergh's flight forever changed trans-Atlantic travel and signaled the beginning of the end of the elegant ocean liners. Did the French make it to North America first....... crashing in the process? The hydrographic maps are proving to be crucial in my efforts at deciphering the folklore and old documents. The alleged pond is in a very remote wildnerness area (most of the Avalon is Wildnerness) south of St. John's. Sifting through the folklore has been hampered by the fact that place names on the Avalon change frequently from one addtion of a map to another. As a result it is impossible to use current maps to resolve folklore dating from 50 years ago. I was able to locate some British hydrographic maps in the New Foundland Provincial Archives and now need some background information about them (see above). Thank you Kenton Spading