Andy;- Is it possible that you rate artichokes above San Francisco's sourdough bread? That bread cannot be reproduced anyplace else in the world----something to do with the fog. It doesn't matter how you eat it, buttered, with chopped liver, plain, on both sides of a burger; The uniqueness of SF is encapsulated in its bread-----and maybe in its Giradelli dark chocolate. Since this is a shell page, maybe I should ask if anyone has tried the bread with abalone steak. Art