Thanks for the further info on the Oliva, Carol. I couldn't get back to that message to see if they were live or dead collected. A good friend, Levi Young had to slap a few hands when a bunch of us were collecting up near Neah Bay in Washington state...when the tide turned Oliva were popping up everywhere and it almost became a "feeding frenzy" until rational thought was allowed to take over. Patti ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com