Kim and Dan, thanks for responding. Now, I want to ask everyone, what is the biggest Arene cruentata you have ever seen? I am curious, as I have a specimen that is very large, 13mm , and I wanted to know if there were any other very large ones. Thanks, Kind Regards James ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]