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Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:50:04 -0600
From: Ronald Whistance-Smith <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re:      FW: Pre-Suez Cannel Maps of Egypt. <fwd>
Sender: Ronald Whistance-Smith <[log in to unmask]>



Hi Kris

The best maps to satisfy this gentleman's request are those of the
Napoleonic survey of Egypt.  A research paper on these maps was published in
Cartographica: _The Napoleonic Survey of Egypt: A Masterpiece of
Cartographic Compilation and Early Nineteenth-Century Fieldwork_ by Anne
Godlewska.  _Cartographica_ Vol. 25, Number 1 & 2, Spring and Summer, 1988.
Monograph 38-39.

A quick look at the publication this evening seems to indicate the original
maps are in either or both of the Bibliotheque Nationale in Paris, or the
Service Historique de l'Armée at Vincennes.

They were published as part of _Description de l'Égypte, ou Recueil des
observations et des recherches, qui ont été faites en Égypte pendant
l'expédition de l'Armée Française_, a full description of which appears on a
bookdealers page at
http://www.worldbookdealers.com/books/book.asp?id=269676 .  A slight
variation of the title "as ordered by Napolean" (I think that's what I saw)
is available in a German reprint of 1994 at NYPL, and a microfilm copy at
LC.  The scale of the maps is 1:100,000 and depending on how much of the
north end of the Bay at Suez is required, either 3 or 4 sheets cover the
route of what became the canal.

Godlewska has even shown some of the changes in landscape features between
the Napoleonic maps and the 1960 USAMS maps.

The following quote seems to indicate that there may have been a separate
atlas at some time.

" Two archaeologists, Wachsmann and Rayeh researched the Atlas of Jacotin,
which had been published in 1820, and portrayed the regions through which
Napoleon¹s troops had marched, a scant 19 years before the drawing of the
maps. [35] Wachsmann recorded,

... the great book, which is the size of a small kitchen table...,we turned
to the beautifully etched map of the Carmel coast. ..."

Ron Whistance-Smith

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Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 1:58 PM
Subject: FW: Pre-Suez Cannel Maps of Egypt. <fwd>


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> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:06:44 -0700
> From: "Kollen, Chris" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: FW: Pre-Suez Cannel Maps of Egypt.
> Sender: "Kollen, Chris" <[log in to unmask]>
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>
> I received this message today.  We don't have anything that will help him
> out.  Anyone have any ideas?  He thought about contacting the British
> Library, would that be either April Carlucci or Tony Campbell?
>
> Thanks
>
> Chris Kollen
>
> Chris Kollen
> University of Arizona Library
> P.O. Box 210055
> Tucson, AZ   85721-0055
> (520) 621-4869
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Raymond L. Beatty [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 10:14 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Pre-Suez Cannel Maps of Egypt.
>
>
>
> Dear Ms Kollen,
>
> I was recently at the library with my son searching for maps of the Suez
> and lower Egypt area, particularly maps with several ancient cities and
> other areas showing on the maps.  While we found several maps that
> indicated some of the cities, and bodies of water that were located in
> the area around Baal Zephron, Migdol and Succoth, we were unable to find
> any maps with any detail of bodies of water, the cities mentioned and
> especially any maps showing the type of terrain geographically that
> existed before the Suez Cannel was built, which destroyed all of the
> bodies of water that were there and rearranged the landscape.
>
> My purpose in searching for this material and specifically maps of the
> period between 1820 to about 1850 is to confirm research I am working on
> for a book on the Exodus.  The cities I have mentioned, the bodies of
> water, and in particular the location of Pihahiroth, which is near one of
> the bodies of water that existed prior to Suez, is all connected and by
> finding a reliable map covering all of this information, will greatly
> help me in completing my research and ultimately the book I am writing
> about the Exodus.
>
> You card was given to me by one of the librarians trying to help me when
> I was there and he suggested that I write you and ask you for some help.
> Anything along the lines of what I have described here would be of great
> help.  I should say that I have written the Library of Congress, and all
> that they sent me were maps covering the construction of the Suez Cannel.
>  I have considered contacting the British Museum, thinking that there
> might be military maps from that period that would provide the
> information I'm looking for, but I hit a dead end with their web site,
> and I don't know how to get around it without talking to someone from
> there.  If there are other sources available for such information that I
> haven't mentioned that you are aware of, I would deeply appreciate
> knowing of them.
>
> Again, thank you for any assistance you might be able to offer.
>
> Ray Beatty
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