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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:06:49 -0400
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Alice:

You are not alone.  We, too, have been hit with the fall rush of eager
young architects desperate to make their mark in the worlds. My only
question - are thin black eyeglass frames with minuscule lenses standard
issue to all architectural students?  We often trot out the same same
set of maps for most of the queries and it is difficult on the maps.


Edward Redmond
Reference Specialist
Geography and Map Division
Library of Congress
101 Independence Ave, SE
Washington, DC 20540-4650
(202) 606-8548
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Dear fellow map librarians and curators,

At NYPL we have been having a serious problem recently with visiting
"out
of town" college and university architecture classes from [I will just
name
large political entities to maintain privacy and not embarrass the
subjects
involved] various states and nations: Germany, Southern Florida,
Kentucky,
Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, UK, and others. And we also have
some
high school classes now appearing, doing almost the same level of
projects
as the undergrads. We suspect their teachers were once in the map room
on
similar assignments when they were in college...and had memories of
such
sterling service...sigh, now they are sending their students.

The baby architects swoop down on the map collection, and in a period
of
say a week, go through the collections like termites. Copying
everything in
sight, over and over and over, for educational use, of course.

As a public library we cleave to the idea of public access, but...this
is
beginning to cause preservation and access issues. When 20 students
from an
out of state university swarm in, almost universally without the
professor,
without an appointment, or the courtesy of prior arrangements from a
professor, the ill-will it causes among reference staff results in
less
than good public service on the part of staff who feel abused and put
upon
by demanding undergrads who have been told less than the truth about
how an
adult behaves in a library. It also shuts out, or causes regular NYC
taxpaying researchers to leave, or give up, due to the noise, lack of
space, etc.

Do you feel my pain? Anyway, my query, after this diatribe, is...how
do
other map collections handle large groups arriving sans appointment,
and
almost always, sans professor [!]? As a public library we cannot
exclude
them because they are not matriculated. We cannot exclude anyone
without a
library card, because such cards are not required here, as our maps do
not
circulate [nothing in the Humanities Center circulates, as part of the
Research Libraries. Branch Library materials do circulate.] And, we do
not
want to exclude anyone anyway.

We try to ferret out the syllabus, and make a copy, as soon as we smell
a
class project. We try not to help the first student any more than the
last
student who arrives. Once we see the syllabus, and understand a
project, we
may well set aside a folder of the maps required for each student to
use,
so we are not pulling and filing these over and over, causing even
more
wear and tear on maps and staffers.

So gang, please let me know if you have some ideas on assisting these
students, which WE DO WANT TO DO, without sacrificing the heart of our
New
York City map collections.

Digitizing is a fine answer, but somebody's gotta pay for that. Hanging
the
unprofessional and discourteous professors out to dry is probably
illegal.
Nice thought though...

The NYPIRG OASIS map site has been helpful, and I suspect we will
refer
more and more students to that if we can convince them to use it, as it
has
"Sandborne" [sic] quality maps on the site, along with aerial
photography,
ownership, assessed value, and other info on each building.  May I
recommend it to you also? Just type the words in all caps in any
search
engine and it will come up.

Many thanks for your input on handling disruptive groups...we are just
running out of ideas on this here.


Alice

Alice C. Hudson
Chief, Map Division
The Humanities and Social Sciences Library
The New York Public Library
5th Avenue & 42nd Street, Room 117
New York, NY 10018-2788

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http://nypl.org/research/chss/map/map.html


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