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From: "James Boxall" <[log in to unmask]>
To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:44:25 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: Fwd: Geographic data repository
Hi all,
We have some different processes here.
We use existing systems from agencies we work with and then "copy" or
"mirror" their data to serve
the university community - they know this and we have their blessing,
and metadata is a joint effort
(we do a great deal of consulting with them :-). In essence, we have
become part of THEIR infrastructure.
For data from others that we distribute or use, we maintain the data on
servers for access through a "file drop ftp"
system we have which is locked down by the campus and not just us. We
also have an internal to Dalhousie Data extraction
method (easy...part of ArcServer). That's the distributed side of things.
We also have storage on other shared disks and local disks in the office
(and we built a couple of servers networked within our
office for testing and data sharing). It isn't complicated, and it is no
longer the big expense (I think we buy a few TBs every month
to keep up with the remote sensing side). My goal is to dump all this
data onto a series of SANs or servers that have enough access
and make it all searchable and downloadable. Data licenses are "easier"
her in Canada now, but they still exist. Our big project is to gain the
county or municipal level data, and to bring in unique sources in
health, agriculture and forestry. We have already begun work on the
oceans side and
that will continue to grow (as the Ocean Tracking Network continues).
Our hardest part is in planning the RIGHT architecture for a
multi-university system in Nova Scotia - and that includes all elements
of an infrastructure from
metadata to license to servers to security...and so on...
not complex...not too easy...just a matter of building trusting
relationships with data providers, systems staff, users and us....
as for support or "backing"...
we were given a mandate...a budget...staff...and an existing and
wonderful relationship with providers, users, the private sector, and
NGOs....
our motto has become..."whatever it takes...and cooperatively with out
internal and external "teams" of colleagues....we'll do it"
(translated...it is better to get slapped on the wrist than ask for
permission...BUT THAT is only true if you have a hell of a supportive user
community and external supports who always make it known how valuable
you are!)
it is more about politics and mutually beneficial assistance than it is
about money and status..
and the technology is easier and cheaper today than ever before....so it
is the perfect time to push things a bit...
Sorry folks..I may be reading the tread wrong. And everyone who knows me
and knows this place knows that I never have worked
according to every rule :-) (my students in Geospatial Info Management
learn that day one :-) :-)
cheers
james
Angie Cope wrote:
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> From: "Tsering W Shawa ([log in to unmask])" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: "Julie Sweetkind-Singer" <[log in to unmask]>
> Cc: "Air Photo & Geospatial Systems Forum Maps" <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 3:16:00 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: Geographic data repository
>
> Julie,
>
> The main reason is a lack of commitment from administrators, I think. They are reluctant to make any commitment to geographic data repository concept. Because it involves lots of disk space, manage and store different file formats, archive data, extra staff, and write a legal letter (MOU letter) to deal with ownership of their data.
>
> Although I do not have a full commitment from administrators however, they provided me with a separate server with lots space for GIS and digital maps use. I installed all the needed software packages by myself and started selling a concept of geographic data repository to those faculty members who contacted me with a GIS analysis help. Creating geographic databases for their projects helps me to understand their research needs and made it easier for me to share our library data to them. Since I do not have full blessing from our library administrator I could not advertise this service. Hope in future we will have enough faculty members using our databases and portal that they will demand the geographic data repository service from university administrators.
>
> If there is an infrastructure and commitment then I am pretty sure faculty members will use the service. They welcome a help. Many of them come either without much geospatial skill or do not have much time to work with data on regular basis however; they want to use the GIS tools to understand their research questions.
>
> Thanks,
> -Wangyal
>
> Tsering Wangyal Shawa
> Geographic Information Systems Librarian
> Head, Digital Map and Geospatial Information Center
> Peter B. Lewis Library
> Fine Hall Wing, B-Level, Princeton University
> Princeton, NJ 08544
> Phone: (609) 258-6804
> Fax: (609) 258-4607
> www.princeton.edu/~geolib/gis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Julie Sweetkind-Singer <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Friday, July 24, 2009 6:38 pm
> Subject: Re: Geographic data repository
> To: Air Photo & Geospatial Systems Forum Maps <[log in to unmask]>
> Cc: Wangyal Shawa <[log in to unmask]>
>
>
>> Wangyal,
>>
>> Do you know why you've had "limited success" and can you define
>> that a bit more? Does it mean that people aren't willing to
>> deposit the data? Isn't not being reused? It's coming in with no
>> metadata?
>>
>> Julie
>>
>> ***
>> Julie Sweetkind-Singer
>> Head Librarian; GIS & Map Librarian
>> Branner Earth Sciences Library & Map Collections
>> Stanford University
>> 397 Panama Mall; MC 2211
>> Stanford, CA 94305
>> (650)725-1102
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Angie Cope" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 11:59:18 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
>> Subject: Geographic data repository
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Geographic data repository
>> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:50:25 -0400
>> From: Tsering W Shawa ([log in to unmask])
>> <[log in to unmask]>To: Maps, Air Photo & Geospatial
>> Systems Forum <[log in to unmask]>
>> CC: [log in to unmask]
>> References: <[log in to unmask]>
>>
>>
>>
>> I have been trying to develop a geographic data repository service
>> for faculty members and students since 2005 but with the limited
>> sucess. My hope of developing this service was to create a
>> geographic data portal where alll kinds of location-based data
>> could be stored...data purchased by library as well as data
>> created or purchased by researchers. The data in the geographic
>> data portal could be searched however, access to data depends on
>> individula permissions.
>>
>> In order to start this repository service I created ArcSDE
>> databases for different faculty members (two levels of passwords---
>> full access and view only) and encouraged them to store their
>> research data in our server. Incentive for them is that data will
>> be backed up, documented, and accessible to them even if their
>> graduate research asistance has left the university. Besides,
>> their research work can be found by others in the university
>> through the geographic data portal. Hopefully this will start more
>> collaborations.
>> Here is the link to our simple Digital Map and Geographic Data
>> portal http://map.princeton.edu/metadataexplorer/. All kinds of
>> geographic data can be searched, viewed, downloaded through this
>> portal. The example of faculty geographic data can be viewed by
>> clicking on BROWSE tab then Department Projects.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Wangyal
>>
>> Tsering Wangyal Shawa
>> Geographic Information Systems Librarian
>> Head, Digital Map and Geospatial Information Center
>> Peter B. Lewis Library
>> Fine Hall Wing, B-Level, Princeton University
>> Princeton, NJ 08544
>> Phone: (609) 258-6804
>> Fax: (609) 258-4607
>> www.princeton.edu/~geolib/gis
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Angie Cope <[log in to unmask]>
>> Date: Friday, July 24, 2009 1:39 pm
>> Subject: Re: how do you get your researchers to,deposit data once
>> they have published their papers
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>
>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: RE: how do you get your researchers to,deposit
>>> data once they
>>> have published their papers
>>> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:15:12 -0400
>>> From: John A Olson <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: 'Maps, Air Photo & Geospatial Systems Forum' <MAPS-
>>> [log in to unmask]>References: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Greetings all,
>>> We too are starting on this, adventure, for lack of a better term.
>>> We're looking to start a campus IR that will include more than
>>> just text. We want audio, video, etc. This also means geospatial.
>>> I know of faculty all over my campus that have data, both numeric
>>> and geospatial that they have either created themselves or
>>> obtained for their research and it's just sitting in their offices
>>> and computers. Our approach is to try and get them to by-in by
>>> showing how it can benefit them in the short and long term (i.e.
>>> tenure and exposure to open access). Also we have our Library
>>> Admins talking to other Department and School Admins to get their
>>> by-in on this. Also our Dean is making the case to the Chancellor
>>> and her Cabinet. We'll see how this ball starts to roll and in
>>> which direction.
>>>
>>> John Olson
>>> Librarian - Maps/GIS/Human Geography
>>> 358 E.S. Bird Library
>>> Syracuse University
>>> 222 Waverly Ave.
>>> Syracuse, NY 13244
>>>
>>> [log in to unmask]
>>> T-315.443.4818
>>> F-315.443.9510
>>>
>>> Think outside the walls
>>> The Library is as close as your computer
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Maps, Air Photo & Geospatial Systems Forum [mailto:MAPS-
>>> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Angie Cope
>>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 12:58 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: how do you get your researchers to,deposit data once they
>>> have published their papers
>>>
>>> I changed the subject line of this email because we're no longer
>>> talkingabout cataloging but collecting ...
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: Cataloging non-published GIS data sets
>>> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 09:32:31 -0700 (PDT)
>>> From: Julie Sweetkind-Singer <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Reply-To: Julie Sweetkind-Singer <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi, all,
>>>
>>> This is something I've thought about, but have yet to really work
>>> on it due to lack of staff support. But, we have been in talks
>>> with some of the social science/anthro/history faculty about
>>> putting together a joint project to collect faculty/student
>>> geospatial data and have it curated by the library. We were
>>> turned down on our first funding try and are now rewriting the
>>> project and hoping to apply for funding elsewhere. I'll let you
>>> know if anything comes of it. The thing that made me happy was
>>> that the faculty thought to involve the library in its process and
>>> in doing so, I think we're coming up with much more robust
>>> possibilities.
>>> More, if it happens,
>>>
>>> Julie
>>>
>>> ***
>>> Julie Sweetkind-Singer
>>> Head Librarian; GIS & Map Librarian
>>> Branner Earth Sciences Library & Map Collections
>>> Stanford University
>>> 397 Panama Mall; MC 2211
>>> Stanford, CA 94305
>>> (650)725-1102
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Maps-L Moderator" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:39:02 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada
>>>
>> Pacific> Subject: Re: Cataloging non-published GIS data sets
>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: Cataloging non-published GIS data sets
>>> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:35:34 -0700
>>> From: Jon Jablonski <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Organization: University of Oregon
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> References: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> One more thought! While visiting China in 2007 I had a meeting
>>>
>> at the
>>
>>> Chinese Academy of Social Sciences. They have a huge GIS
>>>
>> repository,> with data generated by CASS-sponsored research. I
>> posed exactly the
>>
>>> question that is under discussion: how do you get your
>>> researchers to
>>> deposit data once they have published their papers?
>>>
>>> The answer was that they have staff. I'd have to look it up in my
>>> notes, but my memory tells me that they have 17 staff members
>>> devoted to
>>> the care and feeding of this repository. Some of them are
>>> sysadmin type
>>> geeks, but the bulk of them actually beat the bushes looking for
>>> data--they read journals and then go to the authors and ask for
>>>
>> copies> of the data, and do all of the organization, description,
>> and ingest
>>
>>> themselves. The researchers don't have to do anything other than
>>> coughup the data.
>>>
>>> There is a mandate to deposit data--but it is backed up with
>>>
>> this team
>>
>>> of data curators.
>>>
>>> 17!!!
>>>
>>> -Jon Jablonski
>>> Thinking a 1-party system might not be so bad if only they'd stop
>>> hitting people over the head. Oh--and a huge tax surplus looking
>>> to be spent.
>>>
>>> Maps-L Moderator wrote, On 7/15/2009 1:03 PM:
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> How many of you catalog your non-published GIS datasets in your
>>>>
>>> online> catalogs? By non-published, I mean those datasets you
>>> acquire locally,
>>>
>>>> with our without license restrictions that weren't ever
>>>>
>>> published or
>>>
>>>> distributed via depository or sale? Do you enter them in OCLC or
>>>>
>>> just> locally? Do you also provide access to metadata via a web
>>> based finding
>>>
>>>> aid?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> -Angie
>>>>
>>>> Angie Cope, Senior Academic Librarian
>>>> American Geographical Soaciety Library
>>>> UW Milwaukee Libraries
>>>> 2311 E. Hartford Avenue
>>>> Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53201
>>>>
>>>> http://www.uwm.edu/Libraries/AGSL/index.html
>>>> Hours: M-F 8:00am-4:30pm
>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>> (414)229-6282 / (800)558-8993 (US TOLL FREE) / (414)229-3624 (FAX)
>>>> 43°03'8"N 87°57'21"W
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
--
James C. Boxall, FRGS
GIS Centre and Map Collection
Killam Memorial Library
6225 University Avenue,
Dalhousie University
Halifax, Nova Scotia,
B3H 4H8 Canada
http://www.dal.ca
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902.494.6126/6719 (o)
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President, Geomatics Association of Nova Scotia
Past President, Canadian Cartographic Association
Adjunct Professor in Geography, Planning,
Environmental Sciences and Management
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