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Great way to pose this Jon! Mary is probably chuckling about this right now! 

I'm sticking with "cataloger's judgement" since I don't have the answer about woodcuts either, lol! 

Paige 

From: "Jon Jablonski" <[log in to unmask]> 
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Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 1:27:04 PM 
Subject: Re: Cataloging help - manuscript reproduction? 

I love you all. 

I want to say that the stone is the original and the rubbing is a reproduction. But then I think: we don’t consider woodcuts to be reproductions of the wood blocks. 

What would Mary do? 

Jon Jablonski 
Director, Interdisciplinary Research Collaboratory 
Spatial Data Librarian, Map & Imagery Lab 
UCSB Library 
[ callto:805-893-4049 | 805-893-4049 ] 








On Jul 21 , 2017, at 5:50 AM, Angela R Cope < [ mailto:[log in to unmask] | [log in to unmask] ] > wrote: 

Exactly. And to add to the difficulty, I don't really know when my rubbing was made. So, can I copy catalog on LC's record? My map has many similarities in terms of marks but a few unique elements that ... make me think it was done at a different time than that held at LC. Yale has one too. It's the Yi ji tu and one other (I actually have two of them I'm trying to figure out). 

[ https://www.loc.gov/item/gm71005080/ | https://www.loc.gov/item/gm71005080/ ] 


Angie 




From: Maps-L: Map Librarians, etc. < [ mailto:[log in to unmask] | [log in to unmask] ] > on behalf of Joel Kovarsky < [ mailto:[log in to unmask] | [log in to unmask] ] > 
Sent: Friday, July 21 , 2017 6:26 AM 
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Subject: Re: [MAPS-L] Cataloging help - manuscript reproduction? 
Angie, 

I cannot speak for how the catalogers will see this, but might it be hard to assert that it is one of a kind? 

The process is not so unusual: [ https://www.loc.gov/maps/?dates=1100-1199 | https://www.loc.gov/maps/?dates=1100-1199 ] and [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_rubbing | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_rubbing ] . 
[ https://www.loc.gov/maps/?dates=1100-1199 ] 
	
[ https://www.loc.gov/maps/?dates=1100-1199 | Search results from Map, 1100 to 1199 - Library of Congress ] 
[ http://www.loc.gov/ | www.loc.gov ] 
Yu ji tu. 禹迹图. Stone rubbing dated 1903? One of the earliest stone maps, it consists of 5,110 grids, each grid is ... 

[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_rubbing ] 
	
[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_rubbing | Stone rubbing - Wikipedia ] 
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/ | en.wikipedia.org ] 
Stone rubbing is the practice of creating an image of surface features of a stone on paper. The image records features such as natural textures, inscribed patterns or ... 


Joel 

On 7/21/17 7:19 AM, Angela R Cope wrote: 

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Hi have a map that is a rubbing from a stone. So, it's a one of a kind, hand done rubbing but a reproduction of a map on stone. 

So is it a manuscript or is the rubbing method simply the printing process? 

Help. 

Angie 




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