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Subject: Re: MARC 752 Added Entry–Hierarchical Place Name
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:49:12 -0400
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I have just begun to use the 752, for the place of publication of early
maps. But we don't yet have an official policy on its use here at NYPL,
though you can find lots of records in our catalog that use it. So far, I
am/we are using $2 naf, the NACO authority file. If I understand
correctly, that (use of NACO) just tells what form of the place name is
used, e.g. Amsterdam, rather than Amstelodami or Amstelodamum as it might
appear on old maps, but it doesn't tell the whole story about what parts of
the hierarchy are specified. So for example, I was guided to use
Netherlands $b North Holland $d Amsterdam, I think because $b (first-order
political jurisdiction) is required if applicable, even though the NACO
record shows that indirect use of Amsterdam in a 650 field would be $z
Netherlands $z Amsterdam.
Another issue to deal with is whether or how your ILS will index the field.
So far, ours is indexed as a subject, but part of the point of having it as
a separate field for place of publication as distinct from geographical
subject is to be able to get access to early materials, in our case maps,
that were published in a certain place. For all those folks who just do
keyword searching anyhow, this will just add to the hits they get when they
search with place names. But for a more refined search, to search for
early maps published in the Netherlands, it would be great to search
Netherlands as a place of publication separately from Netherlands as a
subject.
About whether this will someday replace LCSH, do you mean will use of the
Getty or other thesauruses of place names someday replace the Library of
Congress authorized forms of place names in catalog records? Or do you
mean will the use of the hierarchical approach to place names replace the
approach that we have used in 651 geographical subjects, with direct access
by the most specific place name? I have wondered about the relative merits
of using Getty versus LC forms and wonder in what situations or what kinds
of collections catalogers would use Getty. About the latter question of
direct versus hierarchical approach, I have also wondered about why LC
introduced the use of the hierarchical approach to geographical subjects
for access to maps in their American Memory digital collections (when they
started adding 752s as geographical subjects to records for maps that were
digitized), or rather why they hadn't used it before in traditional map
records. It seemed to me it would have been useful all along, for example
when someone is looking for a map of some little town in upstate New York,
to be able to see at the same time what maps of the higher level in the
hierarchy are available (like the county) covering that same area would be
helpful. So when that MARBI paper, cited by Peter below, introduced the
662 field to separate the geographic subject use out of the 752, I was kind
of hoping that its use would take hold for an additional geographical
subject approach to maps. But it really depends on having good separate
indexing. Sorry if I've done some incomprehensible rambling and digressed
from your questions, but these are related questions that have been on my
mind.
Nancy A. Kandoian
Map Cataloger
The Lionel Pincus and Princess Firyal Map Division
Stephen A. Schwarzman Building
The New York Public Library
5th Ave. & 42nd St.
New York, NY 10018-2788
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Re: MARC 752 Added Entry–Hierarchical Place Name
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Subject: Re: MARC 752 Added Entry–Hierarchical Place Name
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:56:45 -0600
From: Peter Peller <[log in to unmask]>
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Hi Angie,
According to the following page,
http://www.loc.gov/marc/marbi/2005/2005-04R.html, "tgn" stands for the
Getty Thesaurus of Geographic Names:
2.3. Usage of multiple vocabularies/thesauri.
There are a number of hierarchical geographic vocabularies/thesauri that
some users might use, depending on the type/level of information desired
in the record. Some examples of other vocabularies/thesauri include: the
Getty Thesaurus of Geographic Names (TGN)
<http://www.getty.edu/research/conducting_research/vocabularies/tgn>;
the Geographic Names Information System (GNIS)
<%20http://geonames.usgs.gov/domestic/> from the United States
Geological Survey; the Canadian Geographical Names Data Base (CGNDB)/ La
Base de données toponymiques du Canada (BDTC)
<http://geonames.nrcan.gc.ca/>; and the Peakbagger.com Mountain Range
Classification System (PEMRACS) <.http://peakbagger.com/rangindx.aspx>.
Peter
Maps-L Moderator wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'd like to get opinions on use of the 752 field in the catalog record.
> How many people are using this, what do you feel are the advantages?
> Finally ... do you think it will someday replace LCSH?
>
> You can read more about it here:
> http://www.oclc.org/bibformats/en/7xx/752.shtm
>
> With the example below, what does the tgn stand for? I assume the
> 'authorities' for these entries are gazetteers and the like - can anyone
> confirm that? I was looking around on the web site relating to source of
> code and I wasn't really getting it ...
>
> Here is the example:
>
> The name of a smaller unit within a populated place, e.g. neighborhoods,
> parks, or streets.
> City subsection: 752 United States ‡b California ‡c Los Angeles (County)
> ‡d Los Angeles ‡f Little Tokyo. ‡2 tgn
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> -Angie
>
> Angie Cope, Senior Academic Librarian
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