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Subject: RE: map publishers and Map Link
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 11:38:24 -0700
From: Lori Sugden <[log in to unmask]>
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Thanks for letting us know more, Ken, and I second your "plug" for paper maps. Unfortunately Map Link is in bankruptcy (see Jack Joyce's latest newsletter on the ITMB website), to my sorrow. They have produced some nice maps, and as a vendor, provided interesting works from other publishers as well. --Lori
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From: Maps, Air Photo, GIS Forum - Map Librarianship [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Angie Cope
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 8:55 AM
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Subject: Re: Canadian map publishers
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Subject: RE: Canadian map publishers
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 09:52:38 -0400
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To all, including responders to me directly.
Lori Sugden's message, quoting a synopsis from Jack Joyce puts the situation very nicely, I think. I had refrained from sending a summary because the information I received describes some unpleasant business in Canadian road map publishing. I had Mr Joyce of ITMB Publishing, in the Vancouver, B.C. area, recommended to me. I got in touch with him and received two very fine messages. Again, the quoted passage below succinctly describes the situation.
I want to thank Jack Joyce here for the gracious attention he paid to my query and follow-up questions. I also want to thank Russell Guy of Omni Maps, Burlington, N.C., for initial information and for directing me to Jack. I received information from David Jones of University of Alberta, and from Roger Wheate at University of Northern British Columbia.
These descriptions vary somewhat in terms of ownership and succession, which suggests a more tangled web than initially appears. As Mr Joyce is a fellow player in the world of Canadian commercial map publishers, I will defer to his inside knowledge. MapArt had been a major publisher, of city maps, and especially of city atlas books. Peter Heiler, Ltd was a distributor of these. In Québec, JDMGéo was distributor, and especially distributed the maps of Québec and its cities, marketing them
under their own name. Now Peter Heiler, which took over Rand McNally
Canada, is operating as Canadian Cartographics Corporation. They seem to be gradually supplanting the MapArt and JDMGéo maps under the new name. Again, as I mentioned in my initial query, the same ISBN numbers appear to be retained for these maps. To add to the confusion, MapArt, Peter Heiler, and CCC all had or continue operations in various suburban communities of Toronto, Ontario.
I know that MapArt products are still being sold by various vendors, but of course will not be replaced as supplies are depleted. Canadian Cartographics maps, under that name, are beginning to appear, beginning, it seems, with major cities. These are probably the ones that sell in largest numbers (e.g. Halifax, Toronto, Ottawa, Winnipeg).
I hope this helps if others of you have had similar questions.
P.S.
Allow me to make a plug for the map vendors and distributors, which I still depend upon for a variety of maps. I still buy some printed maps of countries and regions of the world. They make excellent reference maps of a medium scale, that students and others here like to use for various projects in Geography and other courses. City maps of various areas of the world are prized by Architecture students and others for their projects. Map Link in Santa Monica, California, World of Maps in Ottawa, Ontario, Mexico Maps, also of Santa Monica, and of course Omni Maps, in North Carolina, are vendors I have come to rely upon for various materials. Maps Gone Tomorrow, in Austin, Texas, has sometimes provided maps of Latin America.
Electronic maps in various formats are playing a greater role, but printed maps are still needed for many uses.
Ken Grabach <[log in to unmask]>
Maps Librarian Phone: 513-529-1726
Miami University Libraries
Oxford, Ohio 45056 USA
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Subject: RE: Canadian map publishers
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 16:28:23 -0700
From: Lori Sugden <[log in to unmask]>
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Hi Ken,
Bless Jack Joyce's (ITMB) heart-- he had a note in his Axis newsletter back in April about this.
"... Mapart Publishing in Canada discontinued folded paper maps sometime within the last couple of months. This came to my attention from a customer who wanted a particular title that I didn’t have in my retail store. I advised him to contact Mapart directly, via their website. He did, and reported back that all the paper maps except street atlases had been removed from the site. Mapart was the dominant player in the map trade in Canada. Rand McNally sold their Canadian subsidiary to a principal player in Mapart’s marketing arm a couple of years ago, and the new firm has consolidated publishing and marketing under the name Canadian Cartographics. As inventory depleted, the Mapart artwork was retired and replaced by CCC-modified Rand McNally Canada artwork; thus, the Mapart line shrank in size steadily. Mapart book atlases continue to be updated and marketed, and Mapart sales reps continue to market CCC maps, as well as the former Rand products."
--Lori
Lori Sugden, Map Library, UVic
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Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:28 AM
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Subject: Canadian map publishers
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Subject: Canadian map publishers
I have acquired some recently published city maps for some Canadian cities. I am noticing an interesting thing here, not sure if it matters or what the answer is. Several are from a publisher I have purchased from before, MapArt Publishing, in Oshawa, Ontario. The ISBN prefix is 1-55368. A publisher of Québec cities is JDMGéo, Ville St-Laurent, Québec, which uses the same prefix and shows www.mapart.com as web address. That is simple enough, it is a Québec-based affiliate or distributor for the Francophone region. But here is the real conundrum. Some major cities, in recent editions, are published y Canadian Cartographics Corp., Markham, Ontario, web address cccmaps.com. These have the same ISBN prefix, 1-55368. Searching an individual ISBN in OCLC yields earlier MapArt editions of the same city, and this publisher does not appear in corporate name searches.
If anyone has information to share, it might be useful here. Are these the same entity under different names, locations, and web addresses? Does it reflect a transfer of rights, or cartography by one entity and distribution by another?
Ken Grabach <[log in to unmask]>
Maps Librarian Phone:
513-529-1726
Miami University Libraries
Oxford, Ohio 45056 USA
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