Heather & All,
To clarify -- I *think *API key issue is between Bounding Box / Old Maps
Online / etc and the maptiler server, which is perhaps causing the place
search to malfunction. Then again, I'm not a web developer...
Best,
Ryan
On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 2:07 PM Ross, Heather <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hi Ryan,
>
> I did the key thing neither Klokan bounding box nor Old Maps Online work
> for me at all anymore. I should have tested it before. But I updated the
> key in Chrome, but it's also not working in MS Edge.
>
> The search doesn't even search anything at all.
>
> Sigh. Happy Friday!
>
> Heather Ross
> Map Specialist
> Penn State
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> *From:* Maps-L: Map Librarians, etc. <[log in to unmask]> on behalf
> of Ryan Mattke <[log in to unmask]>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 24, 2023 9:56 AM
> *To:* [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> *Subject:* Re: Suggestions for an improved Extent Helper tool
>
> The location search seems to be a broader issue, as it's not working on Old
> Maps Online
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> either (also a Klokan site). The error seems to be "Missing key - Get your
> FREE key at https://cloud.maptiler.com/account/keys/
> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcloud.maptiler.com%2Faccount%2Fkeys%2F&data=05%7C01%7Chdr10%40PSU.EDU%7C3dc14f32c00e4fa52d8f08db16788d89%7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e%7C0%7C0%7C638128479263772598%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=xWiv4VHZXaewNLPUSoXraFOVooG2%2BBlwqXfoudJG1zs%3D&reserved=0>"
> -- which would suggest perhaps an expired API key.
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 8:47 AM Andrew, Paige G. <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Good morning Sebastian,
>
> I use Chrome. My colleague and team mate here uses Firefox. We tried it on
> Edge yesterday. Was not working on any of those platforms. I will be at
> work soon and see if it is working at the website, which I also tried
> yesterday to no avail.
>
> Paige
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> *Subject:* Re: Suggestions for an improved Extent Helper tool
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> Hi Librarians,
>
> I use the tool from their website https://boundingbox.klokantech.com/
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> it is still working. On which platform do you use it?
>
> Kindly regards
> Sebastian
>
>
> On 24.02.23 at 01:03, Andrew, Paige G. wrote:
>
> From: "Andrew, Paige G." <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 24. February 2023
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Cc:
> Subject: Suggestions for an improved Extent Helper tool
> I am a long-time user of the Klokan Bounding Box tool and have recommended
> it to other map catalogers/catalogers for determining bounding box
> coordinates for our bibllographic records. As many of you know, Klokan's
> tool has been down all day today (last time I checked was about an hour ago
> so I might be wrong now), which puts a scare in to me in terms of wondering
> how stable this tool might be going forward. Naturally, we have a similar
> tool at our disposal, Extent Helper, which until today I have not used in
> earnest in some time -- to my own detriment I admit. So, to keep moving
> things off of my pile of maps of Oregon "regions" (i.e., national forests,
> national wildernesses, even a map of an old electric company's district
> boundaries in the Portland, Oregon area) I opened Extent Helper and started
> refreshing myself on how to use and navigate it. I fully admit that upon
> first try of about ten minutes I closed it down in frustration and finished
> editing all other aspects of the record I was working on and then put it in
> the OCLC online save file to wait for Klokan to return so I could quickly
> and precisely come up with coordinates for the portion of the Pacific Crest
> Trail that runs through the state of Oregon.
>
> This afternoon I returned to Extent Helper with a fresh mindset and
> started over again, with some success. However, I would like to make some
> suggestions for improvement for those who are the creators of this tool in
> the hopes that it can be manipulated and used in a bit more friendly
> manner. I will frankly admit that I am not well-versed in using this tool
> and therefore likely am both ignorant of some of the ways one can use it or
> have overlooked an icon or similar to put to good use, so take the
> following with a grain of salt as needed.
>
> As any Klokan user knows, you put a place name in the search box and it
> returns either a bounding box of the formal extent of that location, or a
> point from which you can click on the drawing tool and create a bounding
> box of whatever size you need around that point. The software returns a *bounding
> box* to you and either your work is done then and there if it matches
> what is shown on the map you are cataloging or can be used as a starting
> point. The opposite occurs in Extent Helper results, you are given a
> centerpoint coordinate for the place and then must proceed to draw your own
> bounding box. Is it possible for Extent Helper to deliver results in the
> same manner as Klokan?
>
> A second frustration (and again, maybe there is something I am missing
> here?) is the lack of clarity with the background "streets" basemap, it is
> unfortunate that the basemap is not planimetric like the "streets" one is
> in Klokan. Planimetric rather than shaded topographic makes it visually
> easier to see the street network and any other boundary layer and one can
> more quickly pick up the locations of populated places large and small.
> This is pretty imperative when attempting to create a bounding box for a
> non-jurisdictional region, such as the electric company's districts I
> mentioned early on -- I could pick up the larger places closest to the
> edges of the irregularly-shaped districts but even zooming in 2-3 times did
> not reveal a couple of key small towns or communities that I could have
> used as a guide. I managed to hone in on a highway and follow it to the
> map's edge but with great difficulty as the road network is so light in
> color and appears "washed out" as do even features like names of rivers or
> mountain peaks. Switching to "satellite image" is not helpful nor to USGS
> topographic (though, when I was working on a map of Mount Rainier National
> Park later the USGS topographic basemap was helpful because it shows the
> Park's boundaries pretty well).
>
> One last frustration to share and ask for a possible change. Due to the
> little squares on all four sides of a bounding box being fixed in one place
> one their lines it requires a lot more zooming in and out in order to
> locate a specific thing such as a town or lake or other point being used as
> an identifier to determine the edge or near-edge of the map being
> described. If one grabs instead the line itself after locating at least one
> boundary that you do not want to move/change you quickly learn that your
> entire bounding box moves -- and you have to start over again. In Klokan
> the little bar on all four sides also does not move BUT if you grab inside
> the bounding box the entire image moves, NOT the bounding box, meaning one
> is not re-sizing/moving the bounding box itself. I had to learn to zoom in
> to find an object of interest to key in on, but not touch the bounding box,
> then zoom back out to find the bar to move the line one way or another. All
> that zooming in order to not mess up and change the bounding box takes much
> more time to create the final bounding box that fits the map being
> described.
>
> Fingers crossed that Klokan is back up and running tomorrow! In the
> meantime, I will keep practicing with Extent Helper because ultimately we
> know that an unsupported Klokan might go away in the near future. Oh...and
> I will be contacting LC to see if maybe they can change the existing
> nonsense source code of "ngmdbeh" to something akin to Klokan's "bound"
> like how about "extent"???
>
> Paige
>
>
>
> --
> Ryan Mattke
> Map & Geospatial Information Librarian
>
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Map & Geospatial Information Librarian
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Adjunct Faculty, MGIS Program <http://cla.umn.edu/mgis>
Program Lead, Big Ten Academic Alliance Geospatial Information Network
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Phone: 612.624.5757
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