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Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 12:45 PM
To: Maps-L: Map Librarians, etc.
Subject: RE: coordinates don't match map title/place help
Many thanks for the help! I figured things like this must have happened before – this need to express what’s going on in the catalog record, so that it will reflect what map you’re going to get if you go to the trouble of retrieving it. Some of that stuff is pretty cumbersome to go to another building and get out of a drawer and all of it, so you’d like to have a pretty good idea what you’ll really be getting.
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From: Maps-L: Map Librarians, etc. <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Andrew, Paige G.
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 12:59 PM
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Subject: Re: coordinates don't match map title/place help
ummm, nope! At least if you are cataloging using RDA Angie. Remember that one of the key changes from AACR2 to RDA was eliminating Latin abbreviations like these, and generally speaking all abbreviations.
In RDA, for an incorrect title, we are to give the incorrect title in the 245 field and then use a variant title field (246) to provide the correct title, and you can do that with supplied title in square brackets too. Then, as always, use notes to further explain what is going on if necessary.
Paige
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From: Maps-L: Map Librarians, etc. <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Angela R Cope <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 12:46 PM
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Subject: Re: coordinates don't match map title/place help
Oh, and I forgot the [sic] business ...
So if it says Map to Slyvia's house you can do ...
245 0 0 Map to Slyvia's [sic] house
246 3 Map to Sylvia's house
I think I have that right. Paige? Susan? Others?
Angie
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From: Maps-L: Map Librarians, etc. <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Angela R Cope <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 11:42 AM
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Subject: Re: [MAPS-L] coordinates don't match map title/place help
I would handle it with brackets and notes and not bother your geologists unless you have to.
So ...
245 0 0 [Map to Angie's house not] Map to Sylvia's house.
500 Title derived by cataloger.
255 Scale approximately 1:5,000 not 1:10,000.
034 1 a $$b 5000
Then have all the other fields reflect the true location with accompanying notes as necessary.
Well, that's what I would do.
🙂
Angie
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From: Maps-L: Map Librarians, etc. <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Angela R Cope <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 10:54 AM
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Subject: [MAPS-L] coordinates don't match map title/place help
From: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 10:46 AM
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Subject: RE: coordinates don't match map title/place help
This is a very different situation than that –
The way it is, I work for a geological survey. And so, I’m able to chat with the geologists who made these maps. And sometimes, there is just a mistake on a map. People do make mistakes sometimes.
The geologist who made this map says that yes, that place name is close in the alphabet to another place name, but it is not the same place, and the bad title is just a mistake. His take is it just needs to be fixed on the map. But! It can take some time to do that. And people are busy. And I hate to put people out that are busy. My job is supposed to be cataloging the maps, not finding fault with work that map makers did.
So, really, this is kind of like a misprint. Misprints can happen. I feel like I could run into something like this again – surely this isn’t the only time that it has happened, that a map has managed to get printed, but it was mis-labeled in its title. And so, trying to work out a right way to handle that.
Many thanks,
Sylvia
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From: Maps-L: Map Librarians, etc. <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> On Behalf Of Angela R Cope
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 11:35 AM
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Subject: Re: coordinates don't match map title/place help
Hi Sylvia,
Many older maps were laid out on a zero meridian other than Greenwich, our current meridian. Often times there is a note that will say London Meridian, meridian de Paris, Ferro, etc. Seems most countries used their own capitals as their own zero meridian.
When this happens, those lats won't match modern latitudes. You can still put modern coordinates in the record. Those can come from the OCLC authority record or from sources such as bounding box. Then add a 500 note "Ferro meridian" or something like that.
If your situation is something other than this example, I'm stumped. Perhaps share a photo of the map in question.
Angie
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Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 10:28 AM
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Subject: [MAPS-L] coordinates don't match map title/place help
From: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 8:09 AM
To: Maps-L: Map Librarians, etc.
Subject: map titles
Hello, Great Brain!
I’m seeking wisdom on how to approach a particular situation. What do you do about a map where the title says it is for a particular location, but the coordinates and everything else about the map show that it is actually for a different location?
I suppose I could wind up with a catalog record in which the title says the title as it is presented on the map, but then the coordinates and subject terms and everything else about the catalog record describe the map as it really is. But that seems ornery from a user perspective, because then you are going to see that map in the catalog and click on the title, and then the rest of the description is different than that. I suppose maybe there’s a way to do some kind of bracketed thing, to show that the map says it is one title but the map is actually for a different location.
Any insight is much appreciated.
Thanks much,
Sylvia
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Office Number: 614-265-6624
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