On 18-Feb-24 1:52 p.m., [log in to unmask] 
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> Going to get messy.  If picking up a shell on the deck of a boat is 
> “self-collected,” then isn’t picking up a shell discarded in a “dump,” 
> trash heap, or dumpster also “self-collected?”  What about collecting 
> shells off stored crab (other) traps.  Then, there’re those I collected 
> /ex pisce. //Did I collect the shell or did the fish?  And, when my dive 
> buddy picks up a shell and gives it to me because I’m the collector, is 
> that self-collected or a gift?  And, if not, what if she points it out 
> to me and I pick it up?  Is it then self-collected?/

* as a scientific collector who has never fretted about this, I would 
say that "self-collected" just means that the current keeper of the 
specimen was the first to enter it into a collection by writing down its 
data, even if it had transient movement or handling by someone else. The 
alternatives would be "purchased," "exchanged," or "inherited."

fred schueler
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