So glad to help, Karen! I did dash through the various digitized printings
of the Volney book (from Internet Archive, which includes Google Books
scans, as well as HathiTrust) and unfortunately haven't yet found that
*exact* engraving of the map (where Africa goes off the west edge of the
circle, Persepolis is spelled "Pesepolis," and the oceans are concentric
rings).
I mentioned it to a friend of mine who was the director of the library at
Thomas Jefferson's Monticello
<https://www.monticello.org/research-education/jefferson-library/>, and he
said that they'd been gifted a stack of various printings/editions of
Volney's *Ruins* there some time ago. They might be able to check their
printings for you, or if I head that way (I go visit once or twice a year
since I used to work there) before you find it yourself, I'd be happy to
poke around in person for you. Love a good map/library/history mystery. š
Best of luck!
--Eric
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On Mon, Feb 6, 2023 at 10:01 AM Karen D. Miller <[log in to unmask]>
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> Thank you very much Eric!
>
>
>
> This is a wonderful help. I was hoping that searching on that misspelled
> name might be sufficient to find the map via Google, but that was a hope
> too far, I guess. It does aid in identifying the imprint date, though.
> Thank you again for your assistance!
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Karen
>
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> *From:* Eric D M Johnson <[log in to unmask]>
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 04, 2023 11:27 AM
> *To:* Maps-L: Map Librarians, etc. <[log in to unmask]>; Karen D.
> Miller <[log in to unmask]>
> *Subject:* Re: Help with untitled map
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> Hi, Karen--
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>
> I did some poking around--lucky Googling, basically--and I think it's a
> map from the frontispiece of *Volney's Ruins: Or, Meditation on the
> Revolutions of Empires*. The original (*Les Ruines, ou mƩditations sur
> les rƩvolutions des empires*) was written in French in 1791 by Constantin
> FranƧois de ChassebÅuf, comte de Volney and there seem to have been quite a
> number of translations available in English in the late 18th c. and
> throughout the 19th.
>
>
>
> I haven't quite found that specific map (I'd wager it comes from a
> specific edition), but you can see one very close to it on page 22 of
> this 1796 edition
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/archive.org/details/ruinsorsurveyofr01voln/page/n21/mode/2up__;!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!VLqieUR3WyfBFhvZjidF0QGEIVCeRrjZJNsTPpK2X5EKz9CGwYSTiJW1n08SUMh3I1Ac2qQa-l8phlAJLe4d7hhU65LhZQ$>
> .and page 10 of this 1822 edition
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/archive.org/details/ruins01voln/page/n9/mode/2up__;!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!VLqieUR3WyfBFhvZjidF0QGEIVCeRrjZJNsTPpK2X5EKz9CGwYSTiJW1n08SUMh3I1Ac2qQa-l8phlAJLe4d7hi2bEE79w$>.
> Titles have been differently rendered, too, adding to the fun (*The
> ruins: or A survey of the revolutions of empires *vs *Volney's Ruins: Or,
> Meditation on the Revolutions of Empires*, for instance). I'd think it's
> safe to presume we're looking at an English edition since the cardinal
> directions on the map are in English.
>
>
>
> I noticed, too, that the map you provided has a typo (writo?) in the
> legend at #6: Persepolis is rendered as"Pesepolis" -- might be a quick way
> to help see if you/we find the right print edition!
>
>
>
> Lots of editions to poke through here
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/archive.org/search?query=ruins*volney__;Kw!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!VLqieUR3WyfBFhvZjidF0QGEIVCeRrjZJNsTPpK2X5EKz9CGwYSTiJW1n08SUMh3I1Ac2qQa-l8phlAJLe4d7hjMHFtGxQ$>.
> What a fantastic mystery for a Saturday morning! š
>
>
>
> --Eric
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> On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 5:04 PM Karen D. Miller <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
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> Hello and happy Friday!
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>
>
> I have been given several folders of maps that our cartographic specialist
> said were taken from atlases. No information about the atlases was given,
> so each one has been an exercise in sleuthing. One particular map has me at
> my witās end. It has no title, no statement of responsibility, and no
> publisherās information. No date, of course.
>
>
>
> Iāve used Google Lens to search images based on a photograph I took of the
> map, with no luck. Iāve browsed through multiple atlas pages on the David
> Rumsey website, also to no avail. Iāve searched on the placenames listed in
> the legend, both in WorldCat and Google, also with no luck.
>
>
>
> Iām wondering if anybody can help me identify this map or at least suggest
> a time frame for the publication date. Iāve resigned myself to creating a
> catalog record with a cataloger-created title and a long description, but
> Iād love to know where this came from and when. I am a general cataloger
> with training in cataloging pre-20th century maps, but I am not an expert
> in maps.
>
>
>
> Iām pretty sure I wonāt be able to attach the image, so hereās a
> description. The map is a circle depicting the eastern hemisphere with
> relief shown pictorially. It shows Europe to the north, including āThuleā,
> Scandinavia, and Novaya Zemlya. It shows the entire African continent,
> which extends to the western edge of the circle, and into China on the
> east, just east of Hainan Island, which is depicted as a peninsula. A land
> mass is shown just south of Vietnam, but it is not labeled. Australia is
> not shown.
>
>
>
> The only text outside the map is North, East, South, and West, plus a
> legend that identifies places labeled with numbers on the map. The place
> names are:
>
>
>
> 1. Pyramids
> 2. Gaza
> 3. R. Jordan
> 4. M. Sinai
> 5. Baharen Islands
> 6. Persepolis
> 7. Ecbatana
> 8. Babylon
> 9. Nineveh
> 10. Cassimere
> 11. Crimea
> 12. Constantinople
> 13. La-sa
>
>
>
> Iām going to try to attach the image, but I imagine it will get stripped
> off by the listserv software. I will be more than happy to email it
> off-list!
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Karen
>
>
>
> *Karen D. Miller*
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